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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

It wouldn't have cost the O's 10/300 if they had acted early and if you were going to extend someone Manny was a much better choice than Davis.

Yes, better choice than Davis but we don't know how much it would have cost.  Manny was never going to come cheap.

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3 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Yes, better choice than Davis but we don't know how much it would have cost.  Manny was never going to come cheap.

Neither did Davis or Trumbo.

You add together the Davis and Trumbo deals you think Manny bites?

7/161 + 3/37, so lets say 8/198.  You think 25M a year while buying out a couple years of arbitration gets it done?

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8 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Neither did Davis or Trumbo.

You add together the Davis and Trumbo deals you think Manny bites?

7/161 + 3/37, so lets say 8/198.  You think 25M a year while buying out a couple years of arbitration gets it done?

Nope.  Manny's agent was looking for 400m.

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1 minute ago, wildcard said:

Nope.  Manny's agent was looking for 400m.

Two years before he hits free agency his agent was looking for 400M?

Citation please.

What I remember is the arbitration numbers the O's and Manny agreed to as being lower than I was expecting. 

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Speaking of interviews, I really wish somebody would reach out to Dan and or buck and see about arranging a “what went wrong” interview. I doubt it will happen, but I’d sure like to know what they have to say.

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4 hours ago, wildcard said:

I guess Manny still doesn't understand the business reality that the O's were never going to be able to afford 10/300.

Everyone can afford a 10/300 deal.  Maybe most of them shouldn't but even the Rays have a payroll over $60M.  A few years ago the O's were over $150M and $30M a season would be only a Jay Payton over Chris Davis.

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I will say the article explained things much better. I can see why Manny was a little bothered. 

I also don’t know the protocol for those types of situations. Maybe the Orioles didn’t feel right telling him where he was going if somehow it fell apart. The other part sounds like to me they never called him back earlier in his career because, and this is just a guess, they knew what he was asking and weren’t willing to touch it.  

Clearly they blew their chance early on.  

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2 hours ago, eddie83 said:

I will say the article explained things much better. I can see why Manny was a little bothered. 

I also don’t know the protocol for those types of situations. Maybe the Orioles didn’t feel right telling him where he was going if somehow it fell apart. The other part sounds like to me they never called him back earlier in his career because, and this is just a guess, they knew what he was asking and weren’t willing to touch it.  

Clearly they blew their chance early on.  

Let's stop blowing it!!

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I think it highlights the real mistake of not trying to lockdown your elite players early. Like after their first year or two. 

Its risky but its either that or pay 300 million which was never gonna happen.

And it sounds like they had a chance to do that with Manny and chose not to. 

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10 hours ago, Philip said:

Speaking of interviews, I really wish somebody would reach out to Dan and or buck and see about arranging a “what went wrong” interview. I doubt it will happen, but I’d sure like to know what they have to say.

I would love to see Dan or another warehouse insider write a book about behind the scenes from 2012 to 2018. Get the skinny on Davis signing, how close was the team to signing Manny to an early extension, etc. 

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14 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

 

You guys have an issue with Floor Jansen?

 

If I was Floor, I’m not sure if I’d feel honored by that or not. I mean, if a bunch are in her house, is she allowed in good conscience to kill them? 

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14 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Neither did Davis or Trumbo.

You add together the Davis and Trumbo deals you think Manny bites?

7/161 + 3/37, so lets say 8/198.  You think 25M a year while buying out a couple years of arbitration gets it done?

I agree. I don’t think DD wanted Davis or Trumbo back. Our power structure of Brady, Buck, PA, AJ, made those choices. I’m not saying DD would’ve offered Manny that deal, but he would’ve had more room to work with. With two arb years left, Manny takes that deal. 

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2 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I agree. I don’t think DD wanted Davis or Trumbo back. Our power structure of Brady, Buck, PA, AJ, made those choices. I’m not saying DD would’ve offered Manny that deal, but he would’ve had more room to work with. With two arb years left, Manny takes that deal. 

Adam had zip to do with it.  

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22 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Lots of players with Yaz' resume managed to carve out a 7-year MLB career.  

Well, “lots” is something of an exaggeration.   Yaz debuted in the majors at 28.275.     I took a look at 2002-13 and gathered this data:

- 2,361 players debuted in this period.    Of those, only 383 (16.2%) were 27+ years old, and only 137 (5.8%) were as old as Yaz or older.    

- Of the 27+ group, only 55 players (14.4%) played a game in the majors in the 7th season including their debut year.

- Of the 28.275+ group, only 12 players (8.8%) played in a game in the 7th season following their debut year.   

Moreover, if you actually drill down on those 12 players:

- 6 of them were from Japan or Cuba, so their entry to the majors was delayed for that reason.    

- 10 of the 12 were pitchers, 7 of whom were primarily relief pitchers.    

In that period, the only US-born position player who debuted older than Yaz and played 7 years in the majors is Erik Kratz, a backup catcher.   As you might expect, he has bounced around between the majors and the minors numerous times, and coming into this season had accumulated 4.156 years of major league service despite playing in parts of 9 (now 10) major league seasons.    

In short, it’s not at all likely that Yaz will be in the majors in 2025.     

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