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Agreed. Seems to me we've gotten off on the wrong foot with Mr. Jones and it appears to be starting from the top.

I still don't understand why our front office, and especially the king himself according to the latest Sun updated article, were ticked off about a 23 year old kid talking about getting traded for one of the best pitchers in the game. Plus, he's going to be a starting center fielder on a Major League Baseball team. Gee, I think we should trade him now! :rolleyes:

I don't believe Angelos was angry with Jones. He was no doubt aggravated that Bavasi apparently did not tell the player not to talk about it to anyone before it was finalized. The young man knew no better.

Angelos once got stuck with paying a large settlement to a player that failed a physical because the signing information was released to the press without the caveat that it was subject to the player passing a physical. Once burned, you can bet Angelos is not going to let something like that happen again. When Jones spoke to the press, he said he had been traded. Angelos then needed an agreement from the Mariners that the Orioles would not be bound to the trade should Jones or Sherrill happen to fail his physical, in view of the stated trade in the press. This necessitated delaying the physicals. I'm no Angelos fan, but in this case I just don't see that he's wrong to make sure he doesn't get burned again.

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Too bad we'll probably never learn all the twists, turns & intrigue.

If we ever get an explanation, I bet we're gonna want that three hours of our lives back.

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Nah no hurry, we've lost out on two situations to trade Millar and Mora, so why not just keep holding onto them until they lower their value enough so we have to just release them? :rolleyes:

MacPhail has held the Oriole fans hostage, he has not let the team make any moves until he has traded Bedard. We still have a ton of dreck on our roster and very little time left to move it before pitchers and catchers report, not to mention a hole at SS.

It's been 54 days since we last made a major move for this team, 54 days! That's unacceptable considering what we have to do. Like I have said before, Beane has already made significant progress in rebuilding his team and we are still trying to get past the halfway point with ours, and we only have 9 days to do it before teams pretty much go into ST with what they have. MacPhail could have rebuilt this team significantly and got rid of the dreck on our roster. Instead he chose to be deliberate and is making moves at the last possible second. He's prolonging the rebuilding by taking this strategy IMO...

We'll see which strategy pays off in the end, but I'll bet the A's become competitive before the Orioles do. There was no need to drag out negotiations this long IMO, especially with the rumored return we are getting. As SG pointed out, unless we got Triunfel, Morrow or Clement included in the deal by holding out, we wasted our time...

First, I'm not sure how McPhail missed out on trading Mora and Millar. What offers did he ignore b/c he was trading Bedard? I'm pretty sure, considering all his years spent running a baseball team, that McPhail could make more than 1 deal at a time. I just don't understand what offers he didn't take.

Second, I don't think that holding out to get Butler and Mickolio included in the Bedard deal was a waste of time, but it's not my time.

Third, if we have all this "dreck" on our roster what makes you think that other teams would be willing to take it on, especially considering the salary of guys like Mora, Gibbons and Huff

Finally, what REALISTIC moves would you advocate us making to rid our roster of all this "dreck."

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First, I'm not sure how McPhail missed out on trading Mora and Millar. What offers did he ignore b/c he was trading Bedard? I'm pretty sure, considering all his years spent running a baseball team, that McPhail could make more than 1 deal at a time. I just don't understand what offers he didn't take.

Second, I don't think that holding out to get Butler and Mickolio included in the Bedard deal was a waste of time, but it's not my time.

Third, if we have all this "dreck" on our roster what makes you think that other teams would be willing to take it on, especially considering the salary of guys like Mora, Gibbons and Huff

Finally, what REALISTIC moves would you advocate us making to rid our roster of all this "dreck."

It's possible there were NO offers, and thus this is the reason we have not traded them. Just another way to look at things. It takes two to tango.

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Agreed. Seems to me we've gotten off on the wrong foot with Mr. Jones and it appears to be starting from the top.

Well I sure haven't. I can't wait to see the guy play. I'm getting his jersey.

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It's possible there were NO offers, and thus this is the reason we have not traded them. Just another way to look at things. It takes two to tango.

Right, that's what I was saying

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The Phillies moved on signing Pedro Feliz to fill their third base spot, and Mora would only waive his no-trade to go to a team on the east coast. The Phillies were our best chance to trade him.

The Yankees signed Morgan Ensberg to play 1st and take a bench role and the Red Sox signed Sean Casey. We could have dealt Millar to either, but lost out because we waited.

I don't buy the lack of offers. If we eat enough contract, those two could have been moved. Now we'll just have to release them to free up roster spots, otherwise Trembley is going to keep them in the starting lineup, where they will block players that we need to evaluate...

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How exactly is this the Orioles' fault? Jones talked, then everything went crazy.

The naive Adam Jones should not have talked, but why did everything need to go crazy as a result? The reported overreaction by Peter Angelos might turn off future trade partners.

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The Phillies moved on signing Pedro Feliz to fill their third base spot, and Mora would only waive his no-trade to go to a team on the east coast. The Phillies were our best chance to trade him.

The Yankees signed Morgan Ensberg to play 1st and take a bench role and the Red Sox signed Sean Casey. We could have dealt Millar to either, but lost out because we waited.

I'm still not sure how to follow this. What makes you think that we didn't trade Mora b/c we were trying to trade Bedard? The Phillies may have been our best chance to trade him. And let's even go so far as to ASSUME that there was an offer, how do you know we would have even been justified in making that trade. What if the Phills offered a bunch of crap for Mora and refused to take on salary? I think, if that were the case, then we would be better suited in keeping Mora.

Also, what makes you think that the MFY's or Sox even wanted Millar. I'm sure if the Sox wanted Millar they would have made an effort, considering how "beloved" he is there. Maybe both of those teams thought they would be better off signing someone instead of giving up prospects for a bench player

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You are all right, one should never question Andy MacPhail, he can do absolutely no wrong. Every move that he makes is correct and we will get better deals by just waiting. Eventually somebody will get hurt and Melvin Mora and Kevin Millar will be the best option out there...

Billy Beane is a fool for not drawing out negotiations for his best players for three months. He didn't get any good prospects back, or at least not as good as if he waited...

Every team should handle negotiations just like the Orioles, just look at all the dynasties MacPhail has built in the past 10 years...

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You are all right, one should never question Andy MacPhail, he can do absolutely no wrong. Every move that he makes is correct and we will get better deals by just waiting. Eventually somebody will get hurt and Melvin Mora and Kevin Millar will be the best option out there...

Billy Beane is a fool for not drawing out negotiations for his best players for three months. He didn't get any good prospects back, or at least not as good as if he waited...

You need to take a break from this board before you lose your marbles!!!

Trying to help you here, bud... just go like 36 hours without looking at the internet, you'll feel like 300 times better.

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You need to take a break from this board before you lose your marbles!!!

Trying to help you here, bud... just go like 36 hours without looking at the internet, you'll feel like 300 times better.

I'm just sick of the sheep on this website, that don't want to question MacPhail's methods. There might just be a better way to build this team than MacPhail is doing, but they don't want to listen to it...

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I'm just sick of the sheep on this website, that don't want to question MacPhail's methods. There might just be a better way to build this team than MacPhail is doing, but they don't want to listen to it...

What do you think is the best way to build the team?

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You are all right, one should never question Andy MacPhail, he can do absolutely no wrong. Every move that he makes is correct and we will get better deals by just waiting. Eventually somebody will get hurt and Melvin Mora and Kevin Millar will be the best option out there...

Billy Beane is a fool for not drawing out negotiations for his best players for three months. He didn't get any good prospects back, or at least not as good as if he waited...

I'm not pledging my allegiance to McPhail. I'm just not going to criticize him for moves I THINK he could have made without ANY proof at all. Sometimes waiting for another GM to up the ante is the right move, and sometimes it isn't, you just have to feel out the other guy and see if he might be desparate, which maybe Bavasi was.

If we did trade Mora or Millar who, besides Moore b/c he can't play both, will play 3B and 1B. Maybe it's just me but I don't know of any prospects being blocked by those two guys. If we had someone ready to go there, it wouldn't be a major hurdle to get them playing time over those two guys.

Finally, just b/c Billy Beane does things one way doesn't mean that we have to do them the exact same way. I'm sure Beane was working on this trade for a while, at least internally.

If Beane jumped off a bridge would you follow?:rolleyes::D

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