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With what the Tigers were sending up there I dispute it was a poor decision. I ordinarily don't like it, but I did today.

Exactly. Add in the sinkerballer on the mound and it was definitely the right call. As Dan said, Buck was playing to win right there.

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It was the right move. It doesn't matter what faceless percentages say.

Gotta say, I disagreed putting the winning run on base in that situation. But I guess that's why I don't manage in the the majors. Buck does, and I trust him. Go Os!!!

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With what the Tigers were sending up there I dispute it was a poor decision. I ordinarily don't like it, but I did today.

I'm just saying that it isn't dispositive. It is a classic example of an appeal to authority logical fallacy. The decision must stand on its own, the supposed wisdom of the person making it should have no bearing on whether the decision was correct.

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I'm just saying that it isn't dispositive. It is a classic example of an appeal to authority logical fallacy. The decision must stand on its own, the supposed wisdom of the person making it should have no bearing on whether the decision was correct.

I think I agree but I got lost in all those words.

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I'm just saying that it isn't dispositive. It is a classic example of an appeal to authority logical fallacy. The decision must stand on its own, the supposed wisdom of the person making it should have no bearing on whether the decision was correct.

Sorry, but what a bunch of nonsense. You're managing people, not a philosophical debate. It was Buck's way of telling Zach that he had complete confidence in getting whoever was going to hit next for the Tigers to hit a ground ball, with a fairly high likelihood of a double play. Zach rewarded that confidence. That's precisely what's been going on with this team all season.

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With what the Tigers were sending up there I dispute it was a poor decision. I ordinarily don't like it, but I did today.

This is the key. It was the right decision not so much because it set up the DP, but because Castellanos was so much more of a threat than the guys available to hit after him. Buck knew that the Tigers' bench and bottom of the order were terrible, and he exploited that weakness without mercy.

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Eh, we all ***** and moan when a manager manages by rote and "by the book". Then we ***** and complain when a manager makes a decision that isn't in the book. You can't win sometimes, no matter what you do.

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Been a high school coach for 15 years. If I had a pitcher who threw as many ground balls as Zach, I would do exactly what Buck did. Made sense to me when he did it, still does even if it had backfired. With Zach on the mound Buck was basically playing with house money.

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Sorry, but what a bunch of nonsense. You're managing people, not a philosophical debate. It was Buck's way of telling Zach that he had complete confidence in getting whoever was going to hit next for the Tigers to hit a ground ball, with a fairly high likelihood of a double play. Zach rewarded that confidence. That's precisely what's been going on with this team all season.

Ok. Why didn't he have confidence that Zach would get the first guy to ground out too? I don't even necessarily disagree with the decision. I disagree with the argument that Buck made the decision and Buck is a good manager therefore it must have been the right decision.

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People that are highly paid can still make poor decisions. And those decisions can still sometimes pan out. Look at Ned Yost.

It's hard to calculate the value of a manager. But it seems extremely safe to say that we are where we are because of Buck and Dan's leadership. How many decisions has Buck had to make over the course of the season? Has he been right on every one? He'd be the first to tell you no. Sometimes in life you make the right decision and it can still backfire on you. But you still trust your instincts and experience, those are the things that have brought you success along the way.

I don't want anyone other than Buck making managerial decisions for this team. That includes all of the experts in residence here.

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Then again, this is the same manager who once intentionally walked Barry Bonds with the bases loaded and lived to tell about it.

“Buck has been doing this a long time,” Tigers Manager Brad Ausmus said of the decision. “I don’t think he could do anything that would shock me.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/sports/baseball/baltimore-orioles-detroit-tigers-buck-showalter.html?_r=0' rel="external nofollow">

New York Times

“We beat these guys during the season,” said Tigers outfielder Torii Hunter, who also said he was considering retiring. “But in the postseason they were a totally different team. They were angry. They came to fight.”

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Ok. Why didn't he have confidence that Zach would get the first guy to ground out too? I don't even necessarily disagree with the decision. I disagree with the argument that Buck made the decision and Buck is a good manager therefore it must have been the right decision.

Is this just a rhetorical question?? If he didn't have Zach walk Castellanos, there wouldn't have been a DP situation. Plus, whoever was up next was going to be a less dangerous hitter. These things are clear -- you seem to be arguing just for the sake of argument here.

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