Jump to content
isestrex

Would you have matched SEA offer to keep Cruz an Oriole?

Would you have matched 4y/$57M for Cruz?  

160 members have voted

This poll is closed to new votes
  1. 1. Would you have matched 4y/$57M for Cruz?

    • Yes, that's reasonable
      42
    • No, let the Mariners have him.
      118


Recommended Posts

31 minutes ago, makoman said:

He sure did! 3.80 ERA in the postseason, compared to 3.90 in the regular season. Clutch!

The Blue Jays were lucky to win the WS the year after his legendary Twins performance, with Morris having a 6.57 ERA in the ALCS and 8.44 in the WS.

I had not remembered it that way. Should've done more research. I guess that's what I get for trusting my memory.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, MCO'sFan said:

Morris was very good for about 10-12 years. It helped that he won WS with the Tigers, Twins and Blue Jays. One could argue that he was a difference maker with all of them.

Going 21-6  at the age of 37, surely does help your team get into the playoffs.

I wonder if at 37, his arm was a bit worn out by the post season that year.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
54 minutes ago, Philip said:

It’s human nature. Some people want the whole package and some people don’t care. If someone is a repellent jerk they will lose some votes. I think that’s probably what has kept Schilling out so far.

Some females believe Morris was a jerk. lol

Quote

When playing for the Tigers, Morris was approached for a locker room interview by Jennifer Frey. At the time, Frey was an intern with the Miami Herald; she would later work as a reporter for The New York Times and The Washington Post. Morris responded to Frey that, "I don’t talk to women when I’m naked unless they’re on top of me or I’m on top of them". 

 

  • Haha 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Redskins Rick said:

Going 21-6  at the age of 37, surely does help your team get into the playoffs.

I wonder if at 37, his arm was a bit worn out by the post season that year.

 

That's an interesting question. It certainly is possible. I enjoy the twists and turns of threads sometimes. Like how an 5 1/2 year old poll turns into a thread about the HOF. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, MCO'sFan said:

That's an interesting question. It certainly is possible. I enjoy the twists and turns of threads sometimes. Like how an 5 1/2 year old poll turns into a thread about the HOF. 

I think Morris was something like very good in 3 out of 4 WS, so I will give him a pass on his last Post season.

Not like he is Kershaw and sucks in every single post season.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
41 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Some females believe Morris was a jerk. lol

 

Actually I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that comment and I think for a reporter to approach someone who is naked, regardless of the genders, is pretty rude.

She obviously was not penalized for the event, I hope she did not raise a stink about it.She obviously was not penalized for the event, I hope she did not raise a stink about it.

Edited by Philip
  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Philip said:

It’s human nature. Some people want the whole package and some people don’t care. If someone is a repellent jerk they will lose some votes. I think that’s probably what has kept Schilling out so far.

That and his politics. Since the HOF has turned into more of a place for very good players (IMHO) and I get that they need to put in players every year to keep the money rolling into town. I think Schilling should be in. I would rather have him pitch in a big game than ole' I did my job by giving my team a chance to win, Mike Mussina. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Going 21-6  at the age of 37, surely does help your team get into the playoffs.

I wonder if at 37, his arm was a bit worn out by the post season that year.

 

His ERA was over 4, ERA+ was 101. He was basically league average. On the same staff, Jimmy Key was probably better (better ERA, but worse FIP) and went 13-13. Juan Guzman was waaaaaay better and went 16-5. Wins are weird. He did pitch a ton of innings, which does have value. Maybe he pitched to the score 😉

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Philip said:

Actually I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that comment and I think you for a reporter to approach someone who is naked, regardless of the genders, is pretty rudeActually I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that comment and I think you for a reporter to approach someone who is naked, regardless of the genders, is pretty rude

Wow.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

I think Morris was something like very good in 3 out of 4 WS, so I will give him a pass on his last Post season.

Not like he is Kershaw and sucks in every single post season.

IIRC Morris was a WS-MVP

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, makoman said:

His ERA was over 4, ERA+ was 101. He was basically league average. On the same staff, Jimmy Key was probably better (better ERA, but worse FIP) and went 13-13. Juan Guzman was waaaaaay better and went 16-5. Wins are weird. He did pitch a ton of innings, which does have value. Maybe he pitched to the score 😉

His WAR disputes your assessment that he was league average. 2.8 WAR is not league average.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Wow.

I remember when he made it, and at the time, it caused a pretty good ruckus, and we didnt have social media.

Personally, while offensive, its funny as well. But, I cant condone it.

Personally, I think no reporter should be in the locker room, until after the players shower, change and then can visit an interview room outside the locker room.

 

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

His WAR disputes your assessment that he was league average. 2.8 WAR is not league average.

 

His ERA was 4.04, the league ERA was 3.94, his own team's ERA was 3.91. So that's about average. That's obviously what I meant since I was citing ERA+.

WAR is a counting stat, so doing an averageish job over 240 innings will help your WAR. I acknowledged that he pitched a ton of innings and that had value.

Edited by makoman
  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, makoman said:

His ERA was 4.04, the league ERA was 3.94, his own team's ERA was 3.91. So that's about average. That's obviously what I meant since I was citing ERA+.

WAR is a counting stat, so doing an averageish job over 240 innings will help your WAR. I acknowledged that he pitched a ton of innings and that had value.

When you have 3 SPs with 2.8 or higher WAR, that will go along way to get you into the Post Season.

Sure, the Jays had big bats, but if you keep the bad guys from scoring more than you do, you usually win. :)

He wasnt the only arm on the team, but he had a role in their success.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Yea, that reputation was mostly because of one start.

And, strangely, the Hall's rules specifically say you can't use a single game or instance (like Van Der Meer's back to back no hitters) as justification for induction.  But I guess a 10-inning post season win along with a 4.00 ERA gets you there.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


Orioles Information


Orioles News and Information

Daily Organizational Boxscores
News

Tony's Takes

Orioles Roster Resource

Orioles Prospect Information

2018 End of Season Top 30 Prospects List

Prospect Scouting Reports

Statistics

2019 Orioles Stats

2019 Orioles Minor League Stats

Baseball Savant Stats






  • Posts

    • Kremer is a former 14th round pick who's thrown less than 40 innings above AA, and I don't think he's made any top 100 prospect lists.  Although he has potential he's not an established MLB starter yet. Akin has 25 MLB innings, had a 4.73 ERA last year in Norfolk, and has less than 400 professional innings on his resume.  He is not an established MLB starter yet. I like his strikeout rate, although he does not throw particularly hard. The Orioles have a lot more potential and optimism than they do fully- (or even mostly-) formed pitchers.
    • How do the Orioles' pitchers compare to the other 29 organizations?   It's fine to give them an A, I suppose.  But would that mean that 14 other organizations also get A's?
    • In his defense Sisco gets hit better than the typical catcher (6 HBP in 121 PA).  Actually collecting HBP is one of Sisco's tools, he's averaging 26 per 162 games, for reference Biggio (#2 all time) only averaged 16.
    • The rankings appear to be based on ceiling without much consideration for the likelihood of getting there.  Meaning that the average grade across all MLB would be something like a B+.  Most teams have someone at each position who could, potentially, be a good MLB player if everything worked out in their favor.
    • A name to keep an eye on for pitching coach is Brent Strom with the Astros.  I don’t know what his contract situation is, but he has strong ties to Elias, Sig, and Chris Holt from Houston, and even going back further to St. Louis with Elias & Sig.  Now that there is a new regime in Houston, Strom would likely be interested in coming to Baltimore to reunite with the people he knows best and are completely aligned with his pitching philosophy.  That all depends on his contract situation though.  I’m going to see if I can find out when Strom’s contract expires with the Astros, because if it’s up at the end of this year, I would not be surprised at all if he’s our next pitching coach.  Holt’s pitching philosophy was learned from Strom, and Holt is known to have named him The Stromfather (as a play on The Godfather) and had t-shirts created with The Stromfather and Strom’s face on it that was given to all the pitchers in the Astros system.  If we were able to bring Strom to Baltimore, that would be a huge pickup for our pitching staff (and pitching program throughout the system), and I can’t imagine Elias & Hyde would let Brocail go without having a replacement in mind.
    • Where have YOU been, Phillpe? https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2020-positional-power-rankings-catcher/  
    • Poor Frobby.  lol Some of you guys read too much into the simplest little things.
  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...