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I think Manny will be fine, though some of his defense cost this team some games already. I think his throwing can be worked out with drills.The rest of the defense however, Im not so sure about.

Delmon Young is NOT a top defender even with a couple of decent plays recently.

Travis Snider plays the outfield like he's wearing ice skates. De Aza is an adventure out there and doesn't have a great arm even when he throws to the right base,then theres Lough who apparently hasn't earned a lot of playing time anyway.Joseph is an average defender who calls a good game but doesn't throw very well. Obviously Steve Pearce is a "stop gap" at 2nd base.

Thats just too many holes in your defense. We are what it looks like.A lot of patchwork waiting on upgrade replacements. Im not sure thats gonna fly. Too many questions and not enough answers.

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I think Manny will be fine, though some of his defense cost this team some games already. I think his throwing can be worked out with drills.The rest of the defense however, Im not so sure about.

Delmon Young is NOT a top defender even with a couple of decent plays recently.

Travis Snider plays the outfield like he's wearing ice skates. De Aza is an adventure out there and doesn't have a great arm even when he throws to the right base,then theres Lough who apparently hasn't earned a lot of playing time anyway.Joseph is an average defender who calls a good game but doesn't throw very well. Obviously Steve Pearce is a "stop gap" at 2nd base.

Thats just too many holes in your defense. We are what it looks like.A lot of patchwork waiting on upgrade replacements. Im not sure thats gonna fly. Too many questions and not enough answers.

An outfield of Jones, Lough, and Pearce with a sprinkling of Young would be as good as or better than most.

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Lough doesn't hilt well. We see it now.Pearce isn't hitting either and his defense is average in the outfield.Orioles dont have many options as their roster is constructed now.Joseph is a so-so defender with an average arm.Lavarnway is a DFA waiting to happen.

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I think Manny will be fine, though some of his defense cost this team some games already. I think his throwing can be worked out with drills.The rest of the defense however, Im not so sure about.

Delmon Young is NOT a top defender even with a couple of decent plays recently.

Travis Snider plays the outfield like he's wearing ice skates. De Aza is an adventure out there and doesn't have a great arm even when he throws to the right base,then theres Lough who apparently hasn't earned a lot of playing time anyway.Joseph is an average defender who calls a good game but doesn't throw very well. Obviously Steve Pearce is a "stop gap" at 2nd base.

Thats just too many holes in your defense. We are what it looks like.A lot of patchwork waiting on upgrade replacements. Im not sure thats gonna fly. Too many questions and not enough answers.

Roy, when you go negative you go real negative.

Manny is a platinum glove winner who is in a fielding slump. Probably because he missed a lot of playing time last year. He is will come out of it.

Hardy and Jones are GG winners. Schoop and Flaherty have great range at 2B. They will be back at some point. Navarro is a good 2B. Not quite the range that the other 2 have but he was a All Star at several levels in the minors because of his defense.

Davis is an above average 1B and saves a lot of errors for his infielders. Joseph throws very well because of his quick release that Russell taught him. He calls a good game and is a good defender.

Young has done surprisingly well in RF. I think it will last. Left is a problem but I think Pearce and Snider end up seeing the most time there. They will be steady with average range.

The team will not continue to play this poor defense. Its just not who they are.

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Roy, when you go negative you go real negative.

Manny is a platinum glove winner who is in a fielding slump. Probably because he missed a lot of playing time last year. He is will come out of it.

Hardy and Jones are GG winners. Schoop and Flaherty have great range at 2B. They will be back at some point. Navarro is a good 2B. Not quite the range that the other 2 have but he was a All Star at several levels in the minors because of his defense.

Davis is an above average 1B and saves a lot of errors for his infielders. Joseph throws very well because of his quick release that Russell taught him. He calls a good game and is a good defender.

Young has done surprisingly well in RF. I think it will last. Left is a problem but I think Pearce and Snider end up seeing the most time there. There will be steady with average range.

The team will not continue to play this poor defense. Its just not who they are.

We will see. Im not convinced. I can tell you this, poor defense can cost your team a chance to contend.We don't know if Wieters will be as effective throwing when he returns, and Schoop is still maybe a month away. Left field is a total mess, and Roberto Clemente is not walking "through that door" in RF. Im not so sure this team is constructed to be anywhere near as good as the defense we've seen by this franchise in recent years.

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We will see. Im not convinced. I can tell you this, poor defense can cost your team a chance to contend.We don't know if Wieters will be as effective throwing when he returns, and Schoop is still maybe a month away. Left field is a total mess, and Roberto Clemente is not walking "through that door" in RF. Im not so sure this team is constructed to be anywhere near as good as the defense we've seen by this franchise in recent years.

Who was the gold glove LF who played most of the games in LF last year that is so much better than what we have out there this year?

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Lough in left tonight, with De Aza in right.

I wonder if Showalter would consider KEEPING Lough in leftfield as a staple, similar to the way that he (almost) always had Markakis in rightfield.

Regardless of Lough's offense (or lack thereof), he is a good defensive outfielder, and as Roy Firestone pointed out in his interview with Scott and Jeremy on Monday, one of the things that this team has been missing this season is continuity and stability.

Showalter seems like the type of manager that won't hesitate to do major shakeups if the team is not performing well fundamentally. Perhaps putting Lough out there as our regular leftfielder every game could provide some level of stability to the outfield defense (and perhaps by extension, to the overall team defense, also.)

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Who was the gold glove LF who played most of the games in LF last year that is so much better than what we have out there this year?

Pearce was pretty good there. Lough of course. I actually thought Cruz was perfectly fine after the first month or so. Young another story.

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With the exception of 2B and RF we have essentially he same players this year as last. They were good defensively then, and there's no reason to think they forgot how to play over the winter.

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I don't care for Pearce at 2B. I know Buck loves him but I don't think it helps the D and Pearce hasn't exactly been great at the plate. Buck talks about 27 outs in a game, I think with Pearce there he will give an extra out per game with lack of range, slow double play turns and an infield arm that rates average at best. And Manny?? Palmer was all over Manny's giving a Blue Jays hitter, who was hitting 1 something a bunt single to start an inning yesterday. If it was Buck and his infield alignments or Manny just playing deep and stupid, I don't know. The run down between 2nd and third was misplayed too. The player threw too early to second and allowed Martin to take off to third, where the tag was made, but it allowed a runner to advance to second. No run resulted, but it was poorly played. This team is not playing smart.

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Who was the gold glove LF who played most of the games in LF last year that is so much better than what we have out there this year?

Good point. Left field was not strong last year and is no worse this year. Joseph is a more than adequate catcher defensively and Wieters will help there. School and Flaherty will be fine at second upon return and Navarro is fine defensively. Delmon is a worker and while he has limitations, he is much, much better in right field than any game he played in left and his arm is a significant asset. The real enigma in this whole area is Manny. Nobody on this board would have predicted this many errors for Manny and it is so shocking and has had major impact on at least three games. He has to settle down. Talk to Brooks. Go back to the basics of throwing the ball in a repeatable motion. Manny uses many different arm angles and uses the power of his arm to try to compensate at times. Watch old tapes of Brooks- routine plays were 100 percent routine because he used a very simple, very repeatable arm motion in his throws. Same way with JJ. Manny just needs to find a repeatable, "routine" throwing motion that he uses on the 90 percent of grounders that are routine. Otherwise, if he starts pressing and thinking about it too much, he might find the yips leap up and bite him which would be a disaster.

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Yesterday was a disaster.

Errors in the infield and out. Bad plays that were just shy of being an error. And an awkward fielder's choice.

Hope it's just a bad game. Shake it off. Clean slate tonight.

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I think Manny will be fine, though some of his defense cost this team some games already. I think his throwing can be worked out with drills.The rest of the defense however, Im not so sure about.

Delmon Young is NOT a top defender even with a couple of decent plays recently.

Travis Snider plays the outfield like he's wearing ice skates. De Aza is an adventure out there and doesn't have a great arm even when he throws to the right base,then theres Lough who apparently hasn't earned a lot of playing time anyway.Joseph is an average defender who calls a good game but doesn't throw very well. Obviously Steve Pearce is a "stop gap" at 2nd base.

Thats just too many holes in your defense. We are what it looks like.A lot of patchwork waiting on upgrade replacements. Im not sure thats gonna fly. Too many questions and not enough answers.

Whew! Take a deep breath Roy and please take that index finger off the red button. You know better than most that baseball is a crazy game. I also see things right now that are worrisome, but I have confidence that these things will be rectified shortly. It's still early (at least for a few more weeks). Hold my hand and we will get thru this together. (Just kidding--you can let my hand go now...) :rolleyes:

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