No basis for this. Especially since the 2009-2011 era was exactly what you say the same ownership won't do today.
They can try to win without doing what you say. You advocate for essentially the same "effort" that provided for the dismal 14 year era of darkness. There were certainly years of more excitement, but they have clearly stated they are trying to build a better mousetrap here. I do not expect 115 losses, but I don't expect 75 wins either...
Yes, but being mediocre without being successful for a decade plus is its own level of pathetic...at least in the opinion of fans...such as yourself...during the 2000-2010 era.
This is true, but losses inflate these totals...More Oriole wins closes the gap...
This has been a great thread by the way. I love the discussion and points on all sides. I love the opportunities that are available to the O's as the talent rises. I do not know what the immediate future holds. I think '22 will be frustrating because we want to see winning baseball. I think we are a long way off...but I also think some of our pitching failures this year could have been from the covid crush of 2019. Maybe, we could have an uptick this year and help close the gap.
Trade Means? Mullins? I just want a better team with sustained success. But I expect both of them to be Orioles to start the season...if it starts.
One thing we have in abundance that others do not is opportunity. We have the ability to give these players time to see if they can figure it out. In two years, the bulk of our top talent will be ready to join the club. This year and next will be dedicated to finding out which pieces fit into the mix of what we have already drafted. The rest will come through pulling out the checkbook to fill the spots we need to be a World Series winner. I’m glad you guys are waking up and getting comfortable with the realization that we are two years away. It takes patience but that patience is going to pay off. Also, invest in HMBL. Thank you.
2011-2012 saw a 24-game improvement. A lot of that was was lucky pick ups(Hammel, Mclouth, Saunders) and calling up Manny. In 2013, we regressed to 85, which is probably a better indicator of how good the team was without the luck we had in 2012, but it is true that we can add 25 wins in 2022 without ruining the damn “Plan”
We need to have good seasons from our prospects, and if guys like Mateo win a spot, they have to produce. Can Mateo give us a 2 WAR season? I don’t know. He hasn’t, but the potential is certainly there. Tanner Scott never has, and yet we keep throwing his lame ass out there. Chance Sisco was awful from day 1, but we kept him for way too long. No reason not to give Mateo a chance.
but I digress.
If 2-3 of our high prospect arms meet their potential, if we acquire a good infielder, Santander is healthy, and Good and AR come up quickly, then sure we can. That’s a lot of IF, but it’s neither impossible, nor even improbable.
Its all a question of whether Mike wants to wait.
I don't disagree with that conceptually, but I don't think it's going to happen simply because I don't think other teams will pony up the kind of return we'd need to justify trading Means, and for the same kinds of concerns that make me open to trading him.....that I don't trust he'll be able to perform at the same level he's presently seen as being.
I think trading Means and leaving Grayson without a veteran in the rotation is not a good move. So acquire the veteran starter first then maybe it makes more sense to trade Means. Frankly, I don't think it going to happen.