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When Jason Garcia batted against Ike Davis today, it occurred to me I've never seen an AL pitcher batting against an AL position player (at least in the DH-era.)

Then it occurred to me that maybe today was the first time since 1973 that it's happened. Anybody know for sure? It couldn't have happened more than one or two times in the past if at all.

When it happened, I gave my daughter the old "it's amazing how often you see something you've never seen at a baseball game" speech, but she wasn't too impressed. I figured some of you guys might be, though.

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Pretty sweet for JG - but he was ordered by Buck to not swing. He put pine tar on the bat anyway and wore batting gloves to "look the part". LOL

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now on <a href="http://t.co/jXD28tx7P8">http://t.co/jXD28tx7P8</a> Pitcher Garcia bats vs. position player Davis <a href="http://t.co/42wHqYtkGu">http://t.co/42wHqYtkGu</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/orioles?src=hash">#orioles</a></p>— Brittany Ghiroli (@Britt_Ghiroli) <a href="

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Paging Dr. OFFNY. Paging Dr. OFFNY. Paging Dr. OFFNY.

I remember when Catfish Hunter batted for himself in a game against the Orioles in 1976.

It was an unorthodox move.

And not to be outdone, Earl Weaver (in a behavior that was even more unorthodox than Billy Martin having his pitcher hit for himself in the first place) actually argued against it!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BAL/BAL197609050.shtml

My brother Mark (Yankee fan) said an encouraging, "Hey" when he saw that Hunter actually made contact, albeit on a groundball out.

The game was televised on WPIX-11 up here. I was 10 and-a-half years old.

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On July 22, 1999, the Cleveland Indians hosted the Toronto Blue Jays. Indians manager Mike Hargrove listed cleanup hitter Manny Ramirez as the designated hitter and number 7 hitter Alex Ramirez as the right fielder. However, the wrong Ramirez—Manny — played right field in the first inning instead of Alex. What happens in terms of the designated hitter?

The Indians inadvertently used the designated hitter (Manny) defensively. Therefore they lost the designated hitter for the game. The rules provide that in this instance, Manny stays in the game and keeps his spot in the batting order, but that the pitcher (in this case Charles Nagy) has to hit in place of Alex in the number 7 spot. Nagy went 0-for-2.

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On July 22, 1999, the Cleveland Indians hosted the Toronto Blue Jays. Indians manager Mike Hargrove listed cleanup hitter Manny Ramirez as the designated hitter and number 7 hitter Alex Ramirez as the right fielder. However, the wrong Ramirez—Manny — played right field in the first inning instead of Alex. What happens in terms of the designated hitter?

The Indians inadvertently used the designated hitter (Manny) defensively. Therefore they lost the designated hitter for the game. The rules provide that in this instance, Manny stays in the game and keeps his spot in the batting order, but that the pitcher (in this case Charles Nagy) has to hit in place of Alex in the number 7 spot. Nagy went 0-for-2.

That only covers half of the story, though, right? That's an AL pitcher batting. But it wasn't against an AL position player pitching, unless you just left that part out of the description.

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That only covers half of the story, though, right? That's an AL pitcher batting. But it wasn't against an AL position player pitching, unless you just left that part out of the description.

I already changed the channel, so I can't go back to see specifics but.. Quick Pitch on MLB Network said that it was the first time it's happened since 1987, I believe.

If anyone plans on catching a rerun of Quick Pitch tonight or tomorrow morning, it'll be there. Sportscenter will probably pick it up, too, if it hasn't already.

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When Jason Garcia batted against Ike Davis today, it occurred to me I've never seen an AL pitcher batting against an AL position player (at least in the DH-era.)

Then it occurred to me that maybe today was the first time since 1973 that it's happened. Anybody know for sure? It couldn't have happened more than one or two times in the past if at all.

When it happened, I gave my daughter the old "it's amazing how often you see something you've never seen at a baseball game" speech, but she wasn't too impressed. I figured some of you guys might be, though.

I believe it has happened once before. In a 1987 game between the Yankees and the Rangers, Bobby Witt batted against Rick Cerone in the 8th inning and struck out.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TEX/TEX198707190.shtml

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