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Yep, no comparison. Leicester was promoted, what, three years ago? This would be like a 2nd or 3rd-year expansion team with a $40M payroll winning the AL East with 97 wins. The payroll delta between the Yanks and Rays is quite a bit smaller than Man U/Chelsea and Leicester.

Someone said the other day it's like a AA team winning the World Series. Your scenario seems more plausible.

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Someone said the other day it's like a AA team winning the World Series. Your scenario seems more plausible.

It's hard to put into North American terms. Maybe like... I dunno... Wake Forest or Navy winning the NCAA football championship.

I'm sure the '89 Orioles weren't anything like 5000-1 after going 54-107 in '88. Those O's had much better odds.

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I feel an outcast over here as I hate the fact that Leicester City have won. As a Forest fan it is nauseating every time you read something about their 'fairytale'...So as a local rival I am biased.

I could go into a bunch of reasons I didn't want them to win but I'd just sound bitter and twisted

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I feel an outcast over here as I hate the fact that Leicester City have won. As a Forest fan it is nauseating every time you read something about their 'fairytale'...So as a local rival I am biased.

I could go into a bunch of reasons I didn't want them to win but I'd just sound bitter and twisted

I hate the fact Spurs fell short but as someone who reflexively supports underdogs I have to respect what Leicester has done.

I do wonder how much no European and few FA cup games helped. They probably played 60% of Spurs' schedule.

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It's hard to put into North American terms. Maybe like... I dunno... Wake Forest or Navy winning the NCAA football championship.

Still only 1000-1 odds:

https://www.gamingtoday.com/race_sports/Futures/article/60166-2016_odds_to_win_College_Football_National_Championship#.VyjSYvkrKUl

A better comparison might be a 16 seed winning the NCAA basketball tourney?

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I hate the fact Spurs fell short but as someone who reflexively supports underdogs I have to respect what Leicester has done.

I do wonder how much no European and few FA cup games helped. They probably played 60% of Spurs' schedule.

It helped a great deal not to have to play Thursday matches in East BumF***istahn and then return to the Prem for a weekend match especially given that LC roster was not nearly as deep in talent as the big 6. But, to me it doesn't matter. This is a league dominated by 4-6 teams (depends on how you define dominate) and a nobody wins the title. Never thought I would see it happen, that a nobody would win the Prem....I be Happy:thumbsup1:

LC will have some money to spend now on their own players and reinforcements for the Champs League next year (as a #1 seed since they WON THE PREM!!!!!!)

The cup will be presented to LC after their home match with Everton this weekend - looking forward to watching on TV.

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I hate the fact Spurs fell short but as someone who reflexively supports underdogs I have to respect what Leicester has done.

I do wonder how much no European and few FA cup games helped. They probably played 60% of Spurs' schedule.

That certainly would have helped.

As would having no key injuries to content with all season.

And every other 'top' club playing averagely and inconsistently (all of them, inexplicably)

And Leicester avoiding financial fair play penalties through some extremely shady business deals (which are still being investigated)

Fair play to them keeping their consistency going all season though, and I like their manager. But I still find them a horrible club and as I have to work with a number of their supporters, life is almost unbearable at the moment. Thankfully, I have the O's to fall back on so I can escape references to them. I think I will kill myself if any of the MASN commentators mention it though!

And for what it's worth, I think Spurs is a better side with talented young players who will be a force for years to come. Leicester I fully expect to revert back to mid-table obscurity from next season.

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It helped a great deal not to have to play Thursday matches in East BumF***istahn and then return to the Prem for a weekend match especially given that LC roster was not nearly as deep in talent as the big 6. But, to me it doesn't matter. This is a league dominated by 4-6 teams (depends on how you define dominate) and a nobody wins the title. Never thought I would see it happen, that a nobody would win the Prem....I be Happy:thumbsup1:

LC will have some money to spend now on their own players and reinforcements for the Champs League next year (as a #1 seed since they WON THE PREM!!!!!!)

The cup will be presented to LC after their home match with Everton this weekend - looking forward to watching on TV.

Well, although people will point to the gulf in income separating the top clubs these days, back in the 70s Nottingham Forest won the 1st division (as the PL was called then) the year following promotion from the 2nd, they then went on to win the European Cup (now called Champions League) the following season and then won it again the season after that.

Also in more recent history, Blackburn Rovers won the PL in 1995, with Forest finishing 3rd. This was at a time when Chelsea and Manchester City were just mediocre top flight clubs (they finished 11th and 17th respectively)

Yes it doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

And now there is talk of a Jamie Vardy movie. Well if they do make one, I hope they include a bit where he racially insults some chinese guys at a casino and clearly tells the referee on national TV that he is a 'f---- c---' just to make the 'fairytale' complete :)

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I'm not holding out Vardy (he of many suspicious incidents) or any other LC player as morally superior than any other player. All I was saying it's nice that a team can occasionally (not every year or even ever 5 years, but occasionally) come out of nowhere and not only content but actually win.

NF accomplishments close to 40 years ago was amazing but the monetary structure of the sport is vastly different. It can be seen all through Europe and in the CL - I mean when was the last time a historical power like Ajax and Porto made it into the late rounds. Today we think that when a second-tier rich club makes the semi-final or final (Athletico or Dortmund) that it's an upset.

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NF accomplishments close to 40 years ago was amazing but the monetary structure of the sport is vastly different. It can be seen all through Europe and in the CL - I mean when was the last time a historical power like Ajax and Porto made it into the late rounds. Today we think that when a second-tier rich club makes the semi-final or final (Athletico or Dortmund) that it's an upset.

Yes the level of money was different, but Forest were up against Liverpool who were THE dominant club in Europe at the time. How would Leicester have fared if they had a club like Barca or Real Madrid in the league?

Also Forest did it from the 2nd tier effectively, also winning the League Cup the same year as the title - before dominating European football for the next two seasons.

Both clubs (Leicester and Forest) are provincial, less-fashionable clubs than the big boys, both had remarkable seasons and the achievements are outstanding.

But, as a Forest fan, when I hear people talk about the 'greatest sporting achievement' and how they have achieved something 'no one else could dream of', it rankles.

Even away from football, there are plenty of sporting 'achievements' that could be put on a par

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Yes the level of money was different, but Forest were up against Liverpool who were THE dominant club in Europe at the time. How would Leicester have fared if they had a club like Barca or Real Madrid in the league?

Also Forest did it from the 2nd tier effectively, also winning the League Cup the same year as the title - before dominating European football for the next two seasons.

Both clubs (Leicester and Forest) are provincial, less-fashionable clubs than the big boys, both had remarkable seasons and the achievements are outstanding.

But, as a Forest fan, when I hear people talk about the 'greatest sporting achievement' and how they have achieved something 'no one else could dream of', it rankles.

Even away from football, there are plenty of sporting 'achievements' that could be put on a par

I know you're in a position where it's hard to be objective. I'd be similar if one of my teams' rivals did this.

But I think you're being too dismissive of the financial aspect. I think I read something like prior to this year no team had made the top four (much less won it all) without a top seven payroll in 20 (?) years. I think the EPL has a far higher correlation between wins and payroll than North American sports leagues.

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I know you're in a position where it's hard to be objective. I'd be similar if one of my teams' rivals did this.

But I think you're being too dismissive of the financial aspect. I think I read something like prior to this year no team had made the top four (much less won it all) without a top seven payroll in 20 (?) years. I think the EPL has a far higher correlation between wins and payroll than North American sports leagues.

It wasn't a closed shop due to financial investment back then, as you say. But lets not think back then it was a free-for-all without dominant sides.

Between 1972 and 1992, Liverpool finished in the top 2, 17 out of 20 years - winning it 50% of the time (10 times).

Forest not only knocked them off their perch in the top tier league, but also knocked them out of Europe. The subsequent back-to-back European cups also a feat that only a handful have achieved. All this from a position of being promoted from the 2nd tier league.

Look, I'm open about being bitter and biased and I am walking around the office today grumbling about anyone who looks remotely 'happy' but I don't begrudge another team kudos for their achievements. But I do get annoyed when it is talked about as the 'greatest sporting achievement' as it clearly isn't. Or at least, they have a long way to go to reach that.

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It wasn't a closed shop due to financial investment back then, as you say. But lets not think back then it was a free-for-all without dominant sides.

Between 1972 and 1992, Liverpool finished in the top 2, 17 out of 20 years - winning it 50% of the time (10 times).

Forest not only knocked them off their perch in the top tier league, but also knocked them out of Europe. The subsequent back-to-back European cups also a feat that only a handful have achieved. All this from a position of being promoted from the 2nd tier league.

Look, I'm open about being bitter and biased and I am walking around the office today grumbling about anyone who looks remotely 'happy' but I don't begrudge another team kudos for their achievements. But I do get annoyed when it is talked about as the 'greatest sporting achievement' as it clearly isn't. Or at least, they have a long way to go to reach that.

I get it, especially being a fan of a long-relegated side not that different from Leicester.

I would like to know the odds of Forest winning the year you reference.

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