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Since 1954, seven active Orioles are in the top 100 for franchise PAs. Flaherty is 96.

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13 Adam Jones 4921

31 Matt Wieters 3004

32 J.J. Hardy 2930

37 Chris Davis 2559

52 Manny Machado 1979

85 Nolan Reimold 1251

96 Ryan Flaherty 1051

Doesn't that seem crazy? Of every player that's ever batted for the O's, Ryan Flaherty is in the top 100 of Orioles that have been to the dish? Reimold might even surprise more of you, considering his health issues. There are 529 in total with at least one PA. As a guy that seems like somewhat of an irrelevant role player in a relatively storied organization, I find it interesting that Flaherty is 80th percentile.

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Flaherty's played in 355 games over four years so it's not that surprising he's just cracked the top 100 in PA. He's become a bit of a mainstay and an excellent rule 5 pickup. I hope he does better than last year, however.

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Randy Milligan, if played today, would be far more appreciated. .388 OBP. And forced to retire at age 32, because no one wanted him, after of course, losing his last arbitration hearing.

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Randy Milligan, if played today, would be far more appreciated. .388 OBP. And forced to retire at age 32, because no one wanted him, after of course, losing his last arbitration hearing.

Milligan was a big part of the "why not?" Orioles of 1989, the first team I really started following. He not only could take a walk but had some pop. The following year (1990) he hit 20 HR and 20 doubles and OPSed an even .900. For reference, only 22 players in the AL hit 20 home runs that season (and only five hit 30).

He also happens to be the moniker of one of our veteran posters so, he could tell you a thing or two about Moose Milligan.

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Fun fact addition:

Cal does not break the top 30 in stolen bases, despite dwarfing everyone but Brooks in games played. For some perspective, Nick Markakis, the slowest man on the planet, is 18th in all-time stolen bases.

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Just goes to show you, the bar isn't that high to be in the top 100 in plate appearances for a franchise that has only existed for 62 years. Only 50 Orioles have ever reached 2000 PA, which is less than four seasons for a starting player.

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Interestingly, Mark Belanger who fell far, far short of 50 HR in his career has a higher WAR than Brady who, of course, hit 50 in one season.

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Interestingly, Mark Belanger who fell far, far short of 50 HR in his career has a higher WAR than Brady who, of course, hit 50 in one season.

Belanger has one of the highest defensive WAR ratings in baseball history.

In fact, along with Brooks Robinson and Cal Ripken, Baltimore boasts three of the top five defensive WAR ratings in baseball history, whether FanGraphs or Baseball Reference. Pretty amazing for one team to have that.

Paul Blair incidentally is listed 68th all time by FanGraphs, and third all time among primary CF behind only Andruw Jones and Willie Mays.

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Fun fact addition:

Cal does not break the top 30 in stolen bases, despite dwarfing everyone but Brooks in games played. For some perspective, Nick Markakis, the slowest man on the planet, is 18th in all-time stolen bases.

How many of Nick's stolen bases were part of a double-steal with Brian Roberts?

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13 Adam Jones 4921

31 Matt Wieters 3004

32 J.J. Hardy 2930

37 Chris Davis 2559

52 Manny Machado 1979

85 Nolan Reimold 1251

96 Ryan Flaherty 1051

Doesn't that seem crazy? Of every player that's ever batted for the O's, Ryan Flaherty is in the top 100 of Orioles that have been to the dish? Reimold might even surprise more of you, considering his health issues. There are 529 in total with at least one PA. As a guy that seems like somewhat of an irrelevant role player in a relatively storied organization, I find it interesting that Flaherty is 80th percentile.

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In the New Historical Abstract Bill James ranked the top 100 at each position in MLB history and by #100 you got down to guys who were pretty good regulars for maybe 5 years. Brian Roberts and Davey Johnson are 65th and 66th in fWAR among second basemen, all time. Kelly Johnson, who the O's had for about a month a few years ago, is 112th. Kevin Seitzer and Melvin Mora are top-100 third basemen.

The modern Orioles have been around 62 years. That's roughly 62 x 9 x 550 PAs =a little over 300,000 PAs. Or 62 x 9 = 558 player-seasons. Guys like Brooks or Cal took 20+ each. 10,000 PAs is 1/30th of the total, Brooks had 11782. Flaherty is basically 1/11th of Brooks.

I think this number isn't easily put into context. You don't think about things that way very often.

Another way to look at the top 100 is value. By fWAR the 95th to 105th-best modern Orioles are: Lee Lacy, Jeffrey Hammonds, Bob Johnson, Delino DeShields, George Kell, Marv Breeding, Al Pilarcik, Gary Matthews Jr, Clint Courtney, Phil Bradley, and Chuck Diering. All between 2.6 and 2.8 wins as an Oriole. To break into the top 100 all you have to do is have one regular circa 2013 JJ Hardy-ish season.

By career value Flaherty (1.4 wins) sits right next to Jeff Reboulet, Harold Reynolds, Mike Pagliarulo, Jonathan Schoop, and Floyd Rayford.

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