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During the game today, there was some talk about Buck saying that Bundy could be a starter sooner rather than later. I took that to mean Bundy may be starting at some point later this year. I can't wait to see that. :smile11:

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If the Dodgers get their guys off the DL by the 31st, I wouldn't mind trading for Norris. He looked like his old self today. Guess Norris, Tillman and Gonzo were all pitching hurt last year.

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You fix it by not trading pitching prospects for marginal gains, not forfeiting or selling draft picks and investing in international free agents.

Of course fixing it that way takes years.

Apparently, Dan doesn't want to wait. Here's to next year's Jimenez or Gallardo. :mad:

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I want to know why the starting pitching issues can never be addressed during the offseason. Like Ubaldo, Gallardo was another panic move.

A big part of it is that Baltimore is not an attractive destination for pitchers.

Anyone with better offers take them.

Which leaves the O's forfeiting draft picks for flawed specimens.

I wonder how much damage the O's reputation in regards to physicals does to their recruiting efforts?

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A big part of it is that Baltimore is not an attractive destination for pitchers.

Anyone with better offers take them.

Which leaves the O's forfeiting draft picks for flawed specimens.

I wonder how much damage the O's reputation in regards to physicals does to their recruiting efforts?

Pitchers don't do well in Baltimore. And they tend to do well when they leave. It's not the coaching. It's not the physicals. Physicals and the threat of them have saved the team heartache. I guess you just stockpile all the arms you can and bring them up to fail or trade them before they do. It's not an easy fix.

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A big part of it is that Baltimore is not an attractive destination for pitchers.

Anyone with better offers take them.

Which leaves the O's forfeiting draft picks for flawed specimens.

I wonder how much damage the O's reputation in regards to physicals does to their recruiting efforts?

Obviously the O's physical did not deter Gallardo from negotiating with the Orioles. I wish it did. If it means we lose out on the likes of Latos and Balfour, then so be it.

I don't get this idea that the AL East/Camden Yards is a deterrent. BOS, TOR, and NYY get their share of free agent pitchers. The only question is whether we can come up with enough money to justify the risk. That is the Orioles problem--failure to develop within the organization, and then bargain hunting on the market. There is no evidence that the Orioles have even tried to pursue a top free agent pitcher in recent memory.

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Obviously the O's physical did not deter Gallardo from negotiating with the Orioles. I wish it did. If it means we lose out on the likes of Latos and Balfour, then so be it.

I don't get this idea that the AL East/Camden Yards is a deterrent. BOS, TOR, and NYY get their share of free agent pitchers. The only question is whether we can come up with enough money to justify the risk. That is the Orioles problem--failure to develop within the organization, and then bargain hunting on the market. There is no evidence that the Orioles have even tried to pursue a top free agent pitcher in recent memory.

Gallardo would count as a flawed specimen.

I'm not at all sure he would have signed before the draft if the O's hadn't been involved.

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Gallardo would count as a flawed specimen.

I'm not at all sure he would have signed before the draft if the O's hadn't been involved.

Especially after the physical.

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Obviously the O's physical did not deter Gallardo from negotiating with the Orioles. I wish it did. If it means we lose out on the likes of Latos and Balfour, then so be it.

I don't get this idea that the AL East/Camden Yards is a deterrent. BOS, TOR, and NYY get their share of free agent pitchers. The only question is whether we can come up with enough money to justify the risk. That is the Orioles problem--failure to develop within the organization, and then bargain hunting on the market. There is no evidence that the Orioles have even tried to pursue a top free agent pitcher in recent memory.

The physical found that he was damaged. And the deal was renegotiated based on that premise.

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Chris Lee is on the DL.

Has anyone recently seen him pitch? I know he's been on the DL... but his stats this year are weird.

He's pitching to a 2.98 ERA in AA this year, with decent stats (a 1 WHIP, low walk rate 2 per 9 IP), but he's not missing bats and seems to be pitching to contact (his SO/9 is only 3.3).

Seems like he's figured out how to get AA hitters to make poor contact... BUT... would that translate to the majors? At all?

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Pitchers don't do well in Baltimore. And they tend to do well when they leave. It's not the coaching. It's not the physicals. Physicals and the threat of them have saved the team heartache. I guess you just stockpile all the arms you can and bring them up to fail or trade them before they do. It's not an easy fix.

Arrieta is a high visibility one who has gone on to success elsewhere. Are there others? There are also Jim Johnsons and Erik Bedards out there, it's just nobody remembers them. The O's have not had great pitchers, it is true, but what is the cause and what is the effect? If we actually brought in an elite pitcher who then failed, then I might believe in some kind of Camden Yards curse.

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