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2 hours ago, El Gordo said:

Pedroia wasn't out because he got spiked, he twisted his knee. They said on the TV that he and Manny are friends.

That's how I saw it and said in the game thread. It wasn't the spiking that was the injury, but the Neanderthals who want blood (media and lunkhead Bosox fans) go to the most sensationalist version of something that's more complicated than it looks. That's why this whole retaliation routine is so dangerous. It's like a mob mentality taking over a clubhouse, led by the manager who feeds the flames in his interviews. Buck, Manny and Pedroia showed a lot of class the last couple of days. It's easy to see who the couple of participants were who didn't. Barnes and Farrell. 

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Watched the replay and there is NO DOUBT in my mind he intentionally threw up there at Manny. He didn't lose it, it went right where he wanted it.

Blatant head hunting IMHO. Gotta suspend that dude man.

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2 hours ago, Tbone83 said:

Agree. I've never been a big fan, but I think more of him now. I thought Manny handled it well overall, but he could do himself some good by admitting it *wasn't* a good slide and stop with all the "I'm always the villain" talk. Being involved in all these incidents is making him pretty disliked around MLB. 

The slide wasn't intentional by any means and I don't think he had any intent to hurt him. But it was a poor slide. 

I don't know if i buy that from Pedroia, even Britton said it was even more frustrating to hear him say what he said because he's the leader of that club and they still threw at Manny.  

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About Buck and these throwing at batters.  Remember that in that game, in the 8th or 9th inning Hart did plunk a Red Sox batter and was immediately yanked by Buck.  I thought at the time the ump could have thrown him out of the game, but Buck took him out.  My opinion it was to attempt to stop the cycle of retaliation.  Too bad the red sox manager doesn't have the same viewpoint.  Notice that they are in 3rd place.

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I don't buy all this praising of Pedroia. Saying all this after the fact is easy. He could have said what he said today, yesterday and deflated all this. We need to protect our guys and drill one of their guys in the back, in my professional opinion of course.

Edit: Scratch that. I now believe we should drill one of their guys in the head too. But just grazing their helmet, not a full blown direct hit.

That's right I said it.

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3 hours ago, RZNJ said:

Technically, he overslid the bag although he was close enough to keep contact with his hand if he hadn't been so worried about Petey.

If you're wanting to get to the bag as quickly as possible, you're going to overslide it. Overslide but still keep contact is perfect.

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44 minutes ago, cheecks said:

I don't buy all this praising of Pedroia. Saying all this after the fact is easy. He could have said what he said today, yesterday and deflated all this. We need to protect our guys and drill one of their guys in the back, in my professional opinion of course.

Edit: Scratch that. I now believe we should drill one of their guys in the head too. But just grazing their helmet, not a full blown direct hit.

That's right I said it.

And it is a stupid thing to say. There should be no throwing at heads period. There is no way to "just graze" a helmet. You can't predict how a player is going to react to a ball coming at their head. To their torso or butt, yes, but a player can move in any direction when it is coming at their head.

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8 hours ago, RZNJ said:

First off, John Farrell is a cry baby for complaining so much about Machado's slide the other night.   He's also a hypocrite.   But what he did today in ordering his pitchers, 1st to throw at his knees, which he didn't deserve but you can almost understand if you buy into the "old school" stuff.     However, what Matt Barnes did was unforgiveable.    He took aim at Manny's head and just missed.     No doubt, that came straight from the manager.   I don't believe in hitting guys on purpose to begin with but I don't anyone believes in throwing at someone's head.    Common sense tells us that Manny wasn't intentionally trying to spike Pedroia.   You'd have to be an idiot to think he did.      I guess Farrell thought he would teach him to not to ever do it accidentally again either.    I hope Manny crushes the Red Sox in every series for the rest of his career.   I think he has a little extra motivation now.    That double over Bradley's head was smoked.   Bradley didn't know which way to turn.

I must say, I was disappointed in the home crowd when Farrell came out in the 9th for a pitching change.   He should be booed out of the stadium every chance there is.   Cito got "Cito sucks" for a lot less.

I've been studying and thinking on this since yesterday's game. Saturday's. Friday night. Reading quotes, seeing video quotes. I hope this isn't too long and boring.

This was blown up Friday night by Farrell's offhand comments and Boston media (Remy and whoever) overreacting. I think Pedroia and Manny and really, the two teams were ok with it. "Good hard slide."

Except Pud got hurt. Quote, "I felt something hit the inside of my knee, push it a little." And he mighta thought he was really hurt. I myself hope he's not, MRI to come. I think they're just being extra cautious just like we would be. But kept him out of the rest of the series... Boston media throws books onto the fire.

 

Now today....

Barnes throws behind Manny's head. I saw a quote after from Farrell, "He tries to pitch up and in. He DOES tend to lose it there." Paraphrase quote... From Farrell. Then if you knew he had a tendency to lose it up and in... And it HAPPENED to be freaking MANNY at the plate.....

 

WHYTF do you call the up and in in such a volatile situation???? The catcher, or Farrell himself called it. Barnes may or may not have been guilty... a victim of his tendencies, or pawn even. But that pitch had definite intent.

 

This is the thing I bring out of ALL this. I saw video of today on NESN. Weird it was the MASN feed but zoomed in on Pedroia and Manny after the pitch. You could HEAR Pedroia on the field! He yelled something. Then whistled loud with his teeth. Getting Manny's attention, sitting on the other side. Pud says "That's not me. That's them." Gestures to his right. To his right ANYWHERE in their dugout is the tunnel and the manager...

I think the Red Sox team is kinda fractured. Farrell off the rails. Crazy weekend!

 

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7 hours ago, ReclaimTheCrown said:

I've got a lot of respect for how Pedroia has handled this; can't recall a guy really going against his team and manager in a situation such as this.

I'll never forget that he was the guy who dressed down David Ortiz in the dugout after Ortiz killed the phone.

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1 hour ago, scOtt said:

This was blown up Friday night by Farrell's offhand comments and Boston media (Remy and whoever) overreacting. I think Pedroia and Manny and really, the two teams were ok with it. "Good hard slide."

Except Pud got hurt. Quote, "I felt something hit the inside of my knee, push it a little." And he mighta thought he was really hurt. I myself hope he's not, MRI to come. I think they're just being extra cautious just like we would be. But kept him out of the rest of the series... Boston media throws books onto the fire.

Hmmm... I wonder if the Boston media called for the pitch?

Can MLB suspend them?  That would be cool.

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4 hours ago, cheecks said:

I don't buy all this praising of Pedroia. Saying all this after the fact is easy. He could have said what he said today, yesterday and deflated all this. We need to protect our guys and drill one of their guys in the back, in my professional opinion of course.

Edit: Scratch that. I now believe we should drill one of their guys in the head too. But just grazing their helmet, not a full blown direct hit.

That's right I said it.

No, that's the absolute wrong thing to do. We don't have Greg Maddux. Would you trust someone like Gausman and his fastball 'command' to "graze their helmet" but not hit someone flush in the temple? We won the series, and the Sox look like petulant idiots. Leave it at that. 

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58 minutes ago, 25 Nuggets said:

Hmmm... I wonder if the Boston media called for the pitch?

Can MLB suspend them?  That would be cool.

I think Boston media hyped it up from Farrell's lead Friday night.

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6 minutes ago, InsideCoroner said:

No, that's the absolute wrong thing to do. We don't have Greg Maddux. Would you trust someone like Gausman and his fastball 'command' to "graze their helmet" but not hit someone flush in the temple? We won the series, and the Sox look like petulant idiots. Leave it at that. 

RAISE THE ROOF!!! :disco:

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