Jump to content
OriolesMagic83

Santander

Recommended Posts

The Murray comment... :)  While it's just one evaluator, it's still nice to read.   
Santander looks seriously legit, but others have had a great few months and then fell back to earth. 
We're all hoping this season is not a phantom one and he's a part of the future moving forward. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just pointing out how many of the great ones start young.  Murray had more games played by the end of his age 21 season than Santander will at the end of his age 24 season.

By the end of his age 24 season Murray had three top 10 MVP finishes under his belt.

I don't care for when they comp guys to players in the Hall.

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Just pointing out how many of the great ones start young.  Murray had more games played by the end of his age 21 season than Santander will at the end of his age 24 seasons.

By the end of his age 24 season Murray had three top 10 MVP finishes under his belt.

I don't care for when the comp guys to players in the Hall.

Yeah, I’ll be happy if Santander has half the career Eddie did.  

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Just pointing out how many of the great ones start young.  Murray had more games played by the end of his age 21 season than Santander will at the end of his age 24 season.

By the end of his age 24 season Murray had three top 10 MVP finishes under his belt.

I don't care for when they comp guys to players in the Hall.

Still better than Trout though...since June!  I read it on the internets.  In the off season we should trade him for the Angels.  All of em.

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
48 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Just pointing out how many of the great ones start young.  Murray had more games played by the end of his age 21 season than Santander will at the end of his age 24 season.

By the end of his age 24 season Murray had three top 10 MVP finishes under his belt.

I don't care for when they comp guys to players in the Hall.

I agree with what you said.  Of course there are many outstanding hitters that get started in their mid-20's and go on to have outstanding careers, though it's WAY too early to think along those lines as Santander's sample size is quite small. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Just pointing out how many of the great ones start young.  Murray had more games played by the end of his age 21 season than Santander will at the end of his age 24 season.

By the end of his age 24 season Murray had three top 10 MVP finishes under his belt.

I don't care for when they comp guys to players in the Hall.

Nelson Cruz didn't start hitting until 27.  JD Martinez until 26.  Melvin Mora 28.   Plenty of good careers from guys who started later.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Unlike Smith Jr., Stewart, Wilkerson, Peterson, Broxton, and Mullins, Santander has earned a top spot in next season's depth chart of outfielders. That's quite a lot of progress for both his own development and the O's planning. Upcoming Trumbo departure and movement of Mancini to first are the other pertinent moves on the horizon, although the latter is a lot less certain to happen this off-season, unfortunately.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
48 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Just like to point out to those that are harping on Mountcastle's plate disciple issues...

 

Santander’s 16 walks are more than Mountcastle had in April - July combined.     But with the uptick in August for Mountcastle, his walk rate on the year is pretty comparable to Santander’s.    Of course, Santander has done it at the major league level and been successful overall so far.    

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Santander’s 16 walks are more than Mountcastle had in April - July combined.     But with the uptick in August for Mountcastle, his walk rate on the year is pretty comparable to Santander’s.    Of course, Santander has done it at the major league level and been successful overall so far.    

Sure but it is an issue for both.  Folks have been told to worry about it in one case and not the other.  I found it interesting that without outside prompting no one seemed to notice or care.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
31 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Sure but it is an issue for both.  Folks have been told to worry about it in one case and not the other.  I found it interesting that without outside prompting no one seemed to notice or care.

Yeah, it's an issue for both but at least we're seeing Santander hit at the major league level.  Don't know if Mountcastle can.  I'm not saying we shouldn't give Mountcastle a shot, that would be silly but at the same time I'm not buying into the hype.  

Hopefully Mountcastle's walk rate continues to improve, but It'll be interesting to see when the OH boo birds start turning on him for high strikeouts and low walks if he can't.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

Yeah, it's an issue for both but at least we're seeing Santander hit at the major league level.  Don't know if Mountcastle can.  I'm not saying we shouldn't give Mountcastle a shot, that would be silly but at the same time I'm not buying into the hype.  

Hopefully Mountcastle's walk rate continues to improve, but It'll be interesting to see when the OH boo birds start turning on him for high strikeouts and low walks if he can't.  

After his first 0-4 game with 3 strikeouts. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

After his first 0-4 game with 3 strikeouts. 

Probably.

I just don't know why everyone's got their panties in a knot about making room for a guy who's got a good bat, questionable (at best) plate discipline and no position.  He should be a DH, that's it.  I don't care if the DH spot is traditionally looked at as a place where old but good hitters with bad knees go to die, we've seen so many traditional ways of going about things in baseball shattered over the past few years. 

If the Tampa Bay Rays can contend for a playoff berth with the opener strategy, no one can tell me that you can't take a young hitter who LOOKS ATHLETIC (I'm convinced that's why we're trying to find him a position, if he was a fatass like Vlad Jr, we'd be singing a different story) but can't hack it with the glove and just tell him to DH.  Focus on your hitting, stop worrying about your glove, get better at taking walks.  That's all he should be doing.  All this crap about trying to figure out where he's gonna play is trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.  

Anyway, back to Santander.  I've railed on here for years that Rule 5 picks are a waste.  I'm glad to see one work out.  I'll amend my stance to say that Rule 5 pitchers are a waste.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.


Orioles Information


Orioles News and Information

Daily Organizational Boxscores
News

Tony's Takes

Orioles Roster Resource

Orioles Prospect Information

2021 Minor League Depth Chart

2021 Prospect Power Rankings

2020 Top 30 Prospects List

Prospect Scouting Reports

Statistics

2020 Orioles Stats

2019 Orioles Minor League Stats

Baseball Savant Stats






  • Posts

    • Why are you picking June 1?   Under current rules, they could call him up any time after April 14 and he wouldn’t be a free agent until after the 2028 season.  If you are suggesting they’ll defer him to try to avoid him becoming a Super 2 after the 2024 season, (1) I disagree they’ll do that and (2) the cutoff date for Super 2 changes every year, isn’t known in advance,and could be 2-3 weeks before June 1 or 1-2 weeks later.  In 2017, Josh Hader debuted on June 10 and he still qualified as a Super 2 after the 2019 season.  
    • Yeah, so I’ve held off telling the story about my interaction w/ Jones, but he’s no longer an Oriole, so.... I posted years ago about a hitting clinic he held at SDSU w/ Harold Reynolds. It was a fun time for me and my daughters taking a road trip from Los Angeles.  After the clinic was over we, of course, went to see about getting something signed or a picture. We waited patiently as he signed for a number of people and then I approached him to get a picture of him and my girls. He started to lineup to do so and then balked at the idea, saying it would take too much time, at which the expressions of my kids faces visibly dropped. Disappointing to say the least, but I explained it away with some such fatherly bs.  I never mentioned it in the thread about our trip because I knew there would likely be disbelief or outright anger for me calling out an Oriole player, especially Jones. After all these years, it wasn't a huge deal, but yes, I lost respect for him. As far as I know, Palmer has always been great with not only fans, but going out of his way to be available for them. There’s also no one else I’d rather listen to call a game than Jim Palmer. His stories are part of that.
    • Well Machado should’ve been dealt the offseason before but somehow we were still going for it with a team that actually won 47 games. The only thing bad I could say about what DD did in the Machado trade, is that he should’ve gotten more A ball players versus trying to get players that were closer to being ready. However, The Dodgers had just spent $50+ million on Diaz, Pop was 20, and Kremer was leading all of milb in SO. 
    • Unless the CBA changes there is zero incentive to call up AR before June 1. It’s not like another 60 days of “bad” PR is going to hurt this franchise any more. 
    • Oh, absolutely.   The O’s were leading the division by six games when this news broke.   It stung pretty badly to lose Manny in that situation.   As it turns out, the team played well without him for the rest of the regular season.   But we’ll always wonder if he could have made a difference in that KC series, if he’d managed to rehab and return to the field.     Some posters faulted him for not acceding to the team’s wishes.   Not me though.  
    • Win 3 Cy Youngs, 3 World Series and a WS game in 3 decades and you can be as arrogant as you want.   Palmer rules.
  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...