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1 minute ago, Aristotelian said:

He went over the base first. 

Inaccurate. Both feet were in foul territory (right and left) on the step prior to the bag and the step after the bag ...

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7 minutes ago, OrioleMagic79 said:

Inaccurate. Both feet were in foul territory (right and left) on the step prior to the bag and the step after the bag ...

But he had not turned to the dugout until he is past Sanchez. He was not out of the baseline at any time because the baseline is by definition the line between him and the bag.

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Just now, Aristotelian said:

But he had not turned to the dugout until he is past Sanchez. He was not out of the baseline at any time because the baseline is by definition the line between him and the bag.

At the base, the baseline turns and heads toward second base ... unless he touches the bag, he by default is out of the baseline as he passes third base, especially because he is in foul territory ... if his feet are in foul territory and he is hit by a batted ball, he is not called out, but if his feet are on the line or he is inside the line and a batted ball strikes him, he is called out ... the line makes a difference ... and since he didn't touch the base, he was by definition out of the baseline at the point he passes the bag ...

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2 minutes ago, OrioleMagic79 said:

At the base, the baseline turns and heads toward second base ... unless he touches the bag, he by default is out of the baseline as he passes third base, especially because he is in foul territory ... if his feet are in foul territory and he is hit by a batted ball, he is not called out, but if his feet are on the line or he is inside the line and a batted ball strikes him, he is called out ... the line makes a difference ... and since he didn't touch the base, he was by definition out of the baseline at the point he passes the bag ...

So a runner is out any time he runs past the bag? I don't think so.

The rule is clear. If he passes the runner, the lead runner is out. Then he is out when he is tagged. The umpires admitted it, MLB says this is the case. You can go on believing whatever you want.

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Just now, Aristotelian said:

So a runner is out any time he runs past the bag? I don't think so.

The rule is clear. If he passes the runner, the lead runner is out. Then he is out when he is tagged. The umpires admitted it, MLB says this is the case. You can go on believing whatever you want.

I didn't say that. Also, you are missing the point that I am trying to make. I think that the umpires (who didn't know the rule in the first place) are too focused on the rule and are overlooking the fact that he didn't step on the bag, which makes the invoking of the rule (as opposed to the rule itself) the fact that is incorrect here ...

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46 minutes ago, OrioleMagic79 said:

I didn't say that. Also, you are missing the point that I am trying to make. I think that the umpires (who didn't know the rule in the first place) are too focused on the rule and are overlooking the fact that he didn't step on the bag, which makes the invoking of the rule (as opposed to the rule itself) the fact that is incorrect here ...

Do you have a screenshot that shows he missed the bag?  In the video that I see, his left foot is at the side of the bag while the trailing runner is there.  I can't tell if he misses the bag completely or makes contact.  I don't see daylight between his foot and the base, but I can't zoom in.

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3 minutes ago, backwardsk said:

Do you have a screenshot that shows he missed the bag?  In the video that I see, his left foot is at the side of the bag while the trailing runner is there.  I can't tell if he misses the bag completely or makes contact.  I don't see daylight between his foot and the base, but I can't zoom in.

I do not have a screen shot of that ... I will go back and double check myself tomorrow ... it's that time again where I need to go get the kids ... I will check to make sure I actually saw that in one of the videos/replays and didn't just assume it based on what it looked like to me ...

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