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It's Sherrill's job to shake it off if he doesn't like the call. The pitch should have been in the dirt after Olivo swung at two in a row at his ankles and didn't come close to either one. Same thing yesterday BTW.

BINGO!!!!!!!

Some of the same guys complaining about the pitch selection would complain if a fastball was thrown and hit for a homerun. They'd say, why the heck would you throw a fastball when he looked silly on two breaking pitches.

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I'm going to respond before Dempsey gets a chance on the post game show. Tony is right. I called my father up and said what is Ramon doing calling the same pitch three times and setting up inside. I'm sure Olivo could tell where it was going. You can't see the catcher when he moves inside and we know all hitters cheat. Yes...Sherrill should have shook off Ramon or deliberately thrown a down and away pitch.

I said when Ramon hit into the DP with the bases loaded in the 8th we needed that run. Did you see the worried look on DT'S face when Sherrill was pitching with one out....before the HR pitch? I hate to say this but DT is starting to act like some other managers we have had before that insist on going to the closer almost every game. I would have given Sherrill a day off after blowing yesterday's game. No.....DT believes in getting them right back out there so they don't think about it too long. SP our former mgr did the same thing with Ray. How many times did we use Walker against lefties and he gave up homeruns? I believe Walker has given up six to lefties so far and we are only halfway through the season. Pena of the Rays has several off of him.

I thought Dt might let Johnson start the ninth and see what he can do. Did I really think that? No ......I was hoping but knew better. The long foul ball that just missed being a HR in the 8th probably scared him and he decided to go to the well one more time. I hope we still win this game.

I hear ya, but this is not on Trembley. It made sense to get him back on the horse if he's your closer. He had already used Johnson for a inning and a third and no one else in that pen should be anywhere near a lead in the ninth.

Let's face it, Sherrill was pitching well until his dingbat catcher called three straight sliders in the same place. Little League catchers know better than that.

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No offense, but if you are going to disagree with me, perhaps you should be freakin' paying close attention. :rolleyes:

Sometimes I think you just try to follow me around and disagree for the sake of disagreeing. in this caase, you just make yourself looking foolish by saying you didn't have a problem with pitch selection (thus disagreeing with my main point), the go about saying you weren't really paying attention and then ask if Ramon gave a location?

Goodness gracious, buy a clue before you post. :eektf::eektf:

I was reading while I had it on the same computer screen. I saw like on the corner of my eye and then watched the replay. I didn't see the signs Ramon gave. That is why I asked if he gave location i.e tapped his glove on the ground or move the mitt inside or something of that nature.

I am not trying to disagree with you. The only other time I remember even quoting you is about Bedard in the media.

I didn't have a problem with a 3rd slider in that situation. Sherrill seemed to have just missed his location which is the problem. That ball is going to be a HR in that location whether it is a fastball or slider.

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From my playing days there is a better chance a fastball is coming if a pitcher shakes off the pitch.

No idea how you would support this idea. Not sure if your experience is any more advanced than mine. I pitched in HS, and I can tell you that I was just as likely to shake off the 1 as the 2.

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BINGO!!!!!!!

Some of the same guys complaining about the pitch selection would complain if a fastball was thrown and hit for a homerun. They'd say, why the heck would you throw a fastball when he looked silly on two breaking pitches.

No, they would not and this is an idiotic statement!!! If you can't comprehend the reasoning as to why Hernandez should not have called three straight sliders in the same spot then i can't help you.

Frankly, I'm surprised at this unintelligent post from you. You act if guys like myself an VAtech are some reactionary fans who have no clue how this game is played.

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No, they would not and this is an idiotic statement!!! If you can't comprehend the reasoning as to why Hernandez should not have called three straight sliders in the same spot then i can't help you.

Frankly, I'm surprised at this unintelligent post from you. You act if guys like myself an VAtech are some reactionary fans who have no clue how this game is played.

Nice Tony. Good example. Way to argue a point. :rolleyes:

Ok. You and VaTech are the only two guys who know anything. Case closed.

BTW, even though I find your post pretty rude and condescending, I'll respond anyway. There is no ONE set of rule of setting up hitters. There are a couple of trains of thought here. One, is that you've made the guy look silly on two straight breaking pitches and now he's looking for it, so you throw him a fastball and either tie him up or maybe catch him looking. The other is that he's looking for the breaking pitch so you just throw him one a little farther out of the strike zone and he'll definitely go fishing for it. Frobby mentioned the second train. I think you can certainly make the case for that pitch and Sherill just missed location. Of course, you've made this a black and white issue. It's either your way or the wrong way.

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Per Roch...

George Sherrill gave up a game-tying homer to Miguel Olivo in the ninth inning with two outs and an 0-2 count.

Then he vented.

After striking out Billy Butler to end the inning, Sherrill tossed the gum out of his mouth as he marched to the dugout. Before heading down the steps, he fired his glove into the first row of seats.

A few seconds later, a plastic bucket filled with pieces of chewing gum went flying onto the field. We can only assume Sherrill did the honors.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/roch/blog/2008/06/the_meltdown.html

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No idea how you would support this idea. Not sure if your experience is any more advanced than mine. I pitched in HS, and I can tell you that I was just as likely to shake off the 1 as the 2.

I use to catch in summer/fall leagues. I found that most pitchers would shake off breaking stuff more than fastballs. Of course after now thinking about it summer/fall league pitchers vs MLB pitchers is apples v oranges.

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Nice Tony. Good example. Way to argue a point.

Ok. You and VaTech are the only two guys who know anything. Case closed.

Especially the night after he did the same thing and got burnt.

Some people need to wake up and smell the coffee. I was making the same argument yesterday and got similar reactions.

It's one thing to have a different opinion, but baiting people into an argument with stupid ass statements like "the same people would be complaining if he threw a fastball" is just ridiculous.

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Poor pitch selection or not, Sherrill hung it in the middle of the plate and deserves the blame for throwing an awful pitch.

Ramon may have called a bad pitch(i think that is up for debate) but Ramon certainly didn't ask Sherrill to put it on a tee either.

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No, they would not and this is an idiotic statement!!! If you can't comprehend the reasoning as to why Hernandez should not have called three straight sliders in the same spot then i can't help you.

Frankly, I'm surprised at this unintelligent post from you. You act if guys like myself an VAtech are some reactionary fans who have no clue how this game is played.

Am I going crazy? When does a catcher EVER call a belt high slider?

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Good for him.

I'd be that pissed if what has happened to him over the last two days happened to me.

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I love his passion.

Come on, George. Turn this around. And you know you can't throw 3 of the same pitch in a row. You did it to Belliard, you did it to Olivo. You and Ramon, get your heads out of your collective butts, and let's get GOING!

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I use to catch in summer/fall leagues. I found that most pitchers would shake off breaking stuff more than fastballs. Of course after now thinking about it summer/fall league pitchers vs MLB pitchers is apples v oranges.

Of course, I was just as likely to shake off either pitch mostly because sometimes I wasn't exactly sure where they would end up. ;)

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