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10 minutes ago, BirdinBama said:

Wildcard, your post made me feel somewhat better today.

It’s a very optimistic take, but me too.

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2 hours ago, wildcard said:

Paul, I read your article on Baltimorebasball.com.    I know being negative is in vogue now but maybe you could go against the trend and write a positive article about the youth on the  team.

Only 21:

Ryan McKenna -  Should be moving up to AA in the next month.   From there he could be in the majors soon.   He is a speedy centerfield with a better arm than Mullins.  He could push Mullins to left sometime in the future.   His 366/447/517/964 split at Frederick along with his defense has been impressive.

Just 23:

Chance Sisco - Is throwing, playing defense and call game better than expected.  Now if he can get his bat going like his minor league splits on 311/390/426/815.

Miguel Castro - After putting up a 3.53 ERA in 66.1 IP as a 22 year old for the O's he is back  this year with a 3.00 ERA in 33 IP in only a third of the season.

Cedric Mullins - Cedric is has the rangy and skill of a major league centerfield right now.  Tonight he moves to AAA after burning up AA with a 315/362/518/879.  We will probably see him in CF with the O's the day that Adam Jones is traded.

Keegan Akin - This 2nd round lefty starter is moving fast.  In AA he has a 2.97 ERA in 10 starts and 57.2 IP.  He is striking out over a batter per inning with 63.   He should be moving to AAA in the next month. 

Hunter Harvey - The O's first rounder was having his innings limited because they wanted to call him up in the 2nd half to help in the pennant race.  With no race this year he is now pitching more innings per start.  Striking out a batter an inning through his first 30 innings.   If we don't see him this year he will come to spring trading in 2019 with a chance to make the team.  He is already on the 40 man roster.

Austin Hays - Injuries and a change in his hitting approach messed him up early but this guy has the arm and range to be a major league right field.  His 32 homer and 95 RBI to go with splits of 329/365/593/958 at AA and A+ last year made him the #21 prospect for Baseball America.  Getting healthy and his batting approach straighten out  could move very fast up to the O's.

Anthony Santander -  With a year in the majors under his belt as a Rule 5 steal, Santander is now starting to show how good a AA prospect he can be with a .313 average. Look for him to start flashing the power that he showed last year in Bowie and the year before in A+ when he hit 20 and drove in 95.

At 24:

Davis Hess -  Has  earned himself  a place in the O's rotation replacing Chris Tillman.  His 3.47 ERA shows that his 2-2 record in his first 4 starts  could even be better with a little more offensive support.

Tanner Scott - This lefty's blazing fastball and effective slider is now show flashes of what  he could  be in the near future as a setup reliever or maybe even a closer. With stuff this good its will be hard to keep him at AAA though he may be headed there with a roster crunch about to occur.  Once Britton and Brach are traded by July 31st, look for Scott to become a fixture in the O's pen.

DJ Stewart - is ready to be promoted to the O's outfield.  Only a strained hamstring stands in his way.   Look for him to take over RF when he arrives.  His .363 OBP and 814 OPS in spite of a  tough home park  for hitters. .  Elsewhere in the International League he hit 295/370/500 870.  He is ready when healthy.

Pedro Araujo -  Taken in the Rule 5 draft he has shown flash of a strong arm and good stuff.  He still needs some polish on his pitches  but could be a real factor in 2019 after beginning the year in the minors.

At 25:

Dylan Bundy  - Is a fixture on the O's rotation. He has 7 Quality Start in his 12 games and could have a good record with a little offense support.  He has a 28-22 career record in his young career.

At 26:

Jonathan Schoop - Jon was the O's MVP last year with 32 homers, 105 RBI and a 293/338/503/841 split.  He is off to a slow start due to an injury this season but is expected to get back to his bashing ways soon.  Jon will have 5 years of service at the end on this season and needs to be extended.

 Trey Mancini  - Showed a power bat with good control in is rookie year last year.   His 293/338/488/826 split made him a dependable, productive hitter wherever  Buck put him in the lineup. He is slumping now but his bat has been so good the expectation is he will trend back to what he did last year.

Luis Gonzalez - Look out for this lefty reliever.   Buck has liked him in the past and he is having a good first half at Bowie.    A 2.55 ERA in 24.2 IP with 31 strikeouts and a 1.05 WHIP.   He should be at AAA in the next month.   The only thing that will hold him back is having Bleier, Scott and Hart in front on him.

At 27 and now in their prime:

Kevin Gausman -  Kevin was a workhorse last year with 34 starts and 186.2 IP.  His 2016 was probably his best year to date with a 3.61 ERA in 30 starts.   He has had a hard time putting two good halves of the season together.  Its hard to know how good Gausman is this year with poor defense, poor hitting and an inconsistent pen so far.  There is no mistaking his 98 mph fastball and his great secondary pitches when he has it all going his way.

Donnie Hart - has been a effective lefty reliever for the O's over the passed 2+ years.   His 2.66 career ERA  shows his value to the team.   So far this year he has a 1.59 ERA when in the major.  He has been on the Norfolk shuttle because he has options.

These 18 players are the young core of the O's.   It is expected that has Manny, Britton, Jones and Brach are traded in the next two months other young players will be added to the mix.

Glad to read about those players. Except not sure about Kevin G. If he could be better next year. 

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49 minutes ago, BirdinBama said:

Wildcard, your post made me feel somewhat better today.

Yes that's kinda the way I feel. The Cuppard is not bare.

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

It’s a very optimistic take, but me too.

Believe it or not, I have optimism too..I think Hays will get better and be very good...I like Mullins and Stewart, and Im very intrigued by Bauman, Akin, obviously Harvey, and Gonzales...I haven't seen any of them in person, but what I read and talk to scouts about seems encouraging...they still need more pitching and a power hitting 3b going forward.I noticed no mention of Mountcastle.I wonder if he was left out deliberately.This kid can flat hit.But he can't defend...

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With all due respect, wildcard, I think you missed the point of my article. I wasn't saying that the O's don't have any good young players. I was saying that they don't have many players in the minors who are ready to come up and help the team now, this season, the way Hess has. We'll probably see Stewart and maybe Mullins in the majors this year, but most of the other prospects you mentioned are probably too far away and won't make their debuts until next year (such as McKenna, Mountcastle, Harvey).

It's something for people to keep in mind when they call on the Orioles to start their youth movement right now. They just don't have enough major league-ready youngsters in the organization yet (barring trades, of course). So yes, there's reasons for optimism in future seasons, but the next few months could be a little bleak.

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Another positive I'm seeing this year is that we don't have to only target a legit starting pitching prospect in return for Manny. There have been some pleasant surprises in that area in the minors (plus Cobb and Cashner will still be here next year). We can now try to get an infielder OR starting pitcher as the key piece. 

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31 minutes ago, canonfaz said:

 

Another positive I'm seeing this year is that we don't have to only target a legit starting pitching prospect in return for Machado. There have been some pleasant surprises in that area in the minors (plus Cobb and Cashner will still be here next year.) We can now try to get an infielder OR a starting pitcher as the key piece. 

 

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And they will both be here for the entirety of Spring Training.

Cashner coming a few weeks prior to Opening Day this season probably only hurt him in one start (his first), but Cobb took about 4 or 5 starts to start pitching (at least) reasonably well because he was signed at the last minute.

 

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5 hours ago, Roy Firestone said:

Believe it or not, I have optimism too..I think Hays will get better and be very good...I like Mullins and Stewart, and Im very intrigued by Bauman, Akin, obviously Harvey, and Gonzales...I haven't seen any of them in person, but what I read and talk to scouts about seems encouraging...they still need more pitching and a power hitting 3b going forward.I noticed no mention of Mountcastle.I wonder if he was left out deliberately.This kid can flat hit.But he can't defend...

Mountcastle appears to be a hitter without a position.  His arm is so weak.   He probably ends up as the O's DH/1B after Trumbo is gone.  I don't see him in the majors or even on the 40 roster this year.   And if the O's don't fine a way to trade Trumbo  this off season then I think Mountcastle is stuck in the minors next year also.

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2 hours ago, PaulFolk said:

With all due respect, wildcard, I think you missed the point of my article. I wasn't saying that the O's don't have any good young players. I was saying that they don't have many players in the minors who are ready to come up and help the team now, this season, the way Hess has. We'll probably see Stewart and maybe Mullins in the majors this year, but most of the other prospects you mentioned are probably too far away and won't make their debuts until next year (such as McKenna, Mountcastle, Harvey).

It's something for people to keep in mind when they call on the Orioles to start their youth movement right now. They just don't have enough major league-ready youngsters in the organization yet (barring trades, of course). So yes, there's reasons for optimism in future seasons, but the next few months could be a little bleak.

I got the point.  But I think you were too negative in the article about the future Orioles.   Negativity about the O's is everywhere with the way the O's are playing.  You are such a good writer,  I just wanted you to write about  the positives.   

The O's are going to have a lot of 25 man roster spots open as the season going on.  Manny, Britton, Brach and  Jones will probably be traded. Gentry,  Alvarez,  and Peterson  probably have no future with the O's.    40 man roster spots for Tillman, Sardinas and Rasmus also probably open up.  That is 10 spots on the  40 man roster that need to be filled by players that are currently on the O's farm or players that the O's acquire in trade.    I see a lot on movement happening this season.

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18 hours ago, wildcard said:

Paul, I read your article on Baltimorebasball.com.    I know being negative is in vogue now but maybe you could go against the trend and write a positive article about the youth on the  team.

Only 21:

Ryan McKenna -  Should be moving up to AA in the next month.   From there he could be in the majors soon.   He is a speedy centerfield with a better arm than Mullins.  He could push Mullins to left sometime in the future.   His 366/447/517/964 split at Frederick along with his defense has been impressive.

Just 23:

Chance Sisco - Is throwing, playing defense and calling games better than expected.  Now if he can get his bat going like his minor league splits of 311/390/426/815.

Miguel Castro - After putting up a 3.53 ERA in 66.1 IP as a 22 year old for the O's he is back  this year with a 3.00 ERA in 33 IP in only a third of the season.

Cedric Mullins - Cedric has the rangy and skill of a major league centerfield right now.  Tonight he moves to AAA after burning up AA with a 315/362/518/879.  We will probably see him in CF with the O's the day that Adam Jones is traded.

Keegan Akin - This 2nd round lefty starter is moving fast.  In AA he has a 2.97 ERA in 10 starts and 57.2 IP.  He is striking out over a batter per inning with 63.   He should be moving to AAA in the next month. 

Hunter Harvey - The O's first rounder was having his innings limited because they wanted to call him up in the 2nd half to help in the pennant race.  With no race this year he is now pitching more innings per start.  Striking out a batter an inning through his first 30 innings.   If we don't see him this year he will come to spring trading in 2019 with a chance to make the team.  He is already on the 40 man roster.

Austin Hays - Injuries and a change in his hitting approach messed him up early but this guy has the arm and range to be a major league right fielder.  His 32 homer and 95 RBI to go with splits of 329/365/593/958 at AA and A+ last year made him the #21 prospect for Baseball America.  Getting healthy and his batting approach straighten out  could move very fast up to the O's.

Anthony Santander -  With a year in the majors under his belt as a Rule 5 steal, Santander is now starting to show how good a AA prospect he can be with a .313 average. Look for him to start flashing the power that he showed last year in Bowie and the year before in A+ when he hit 20 and drove in 95.

At 24:

Davis Hess -  Has  earned himself  a place in the O's rotation replacing Chris Tillman.  His 3.47 ERA shows that his 2-2 record in his first 4 starts  could even be better with a little more offensive support.

Tanner Scott - This lefty's blazing fastball and effective slider is now showing flashes of what  he could  be in the near future as a setup reliever or maybe even a closer. With stuff this good it will be hard to keep him at AAA though he may be headed there with a roster crunch about to occur.  Once Britton and Brach are traded by July 31st, look for Scott to become a fixture in the O's pen.

DJ Stewart - is ready to be promoted to the O's outfield.  Only a strained hamstring stands in his way.   Look for him to take over RF when he arrives.  His .363 OBP and 814 OPS in spite of a  tough home park  for hitters. .  Elsewhere in the International League he hit 295/370/500 870.  He is ready when healthy.

Pedro Araujo -  Taken in the Rule 5 draft he has shown flashes of a strong arm and good stuff.  He still needs some polish on his pitches  but could be a real factor in 2019 after beginning the year in the minors.

At 25:

Dylan Bundy  - Is a fixture in the O's rotation. He has 7 Quality Starts in his 12 games and could have a good record with a little offensive support.  He has a 28-22 career record in his young career.

At 26:

Jonathan Schoop - Jon was the O's MVP last year with 32 homers, 105 RBI and a 293/338/503/841 split.  He is off to a slow start due to an injury this season but is expected to get back to his bashing ways soon.  Jon will have 5 years of service at the end on this season and needs to be extended.

 Trey Mancini  - Showed a power bat with good control in his rookie year last year.   His 293/338/488/826 split made him a dependable, productive hitter wherever  Buck put him in the lineup. He is slumping now but his bat has been so good the expectation is he will trend back to what he did last year.

Luis Gonzalez - Look out for this lefty reliever.   Buck has liked him in the past and he is having a good first half at Bowie.    A 2.55 ERA in 24.2 IP with 31 strikeouts and a 1.05 WHIP.   He should be at AAA in the next month.   The only thing that will hold him back is having Bleier, Scott and Hart in front on him.

At 27 and now in their prime:

Kevin Gausman -  Kevin was a workhorse last year with 34 starts and 186.2 IP.  His 2016 was probably his best year to date with a 3.61 ERA in 30 starts.   He has had a hard time putting two good halves of the season together.  Its hard to know how good Gausman is this year with poor defense, poor hitting and an inconsistent pen so far.  There is no mistaking his 98 mph fastball and his great secondary pitches when he has it all going his way.

Donnie Hart - has been a effective lefty reliever for the O's over the passed 2+ years.   His 2.66 career ERA  shows his value to the team.   So far this year he has a 1.59 ERA when in the major.  He has been on the Norfolk shuttle because he has options.

28 and established:

Mychal Givens - Is the O's next closer in waiting.   Givens career numbers speak for themselves.  18-4,  2.86 ERA in 211 IP, 256 SO and a 1.13 WHIP. Mychal is not even arbitration eligible yet and will not  be eligible for FA until after the 2021 season..

These 19 players are the young core of the O's.   It is expected that as Manny, Britton, Jones and Brach are traded in the next two months other young players will be added to the mix.

I gave you a frontpage HHP for your optimistic take. 

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12 hours ago, PaulFolk said:

With all due respect, wildcard, I think you missed the point of my article. I wasn't saying that the O's don't have any good young players. I was saying that they don't have many players in the minors who are ready to come up and help the team now, this season, the way Hess has. We'll probably see Stewart and maybe Mullins in the majors this year, but most of the other prospects you mentioned are probably too far away and won't make their debuts until next year (such as McKenna, Mountcastle, Harvey).

It's something for people to keep in mind when they call on the Orioles to start their youth movement right now. They just don't have enough major league-ready youngsters in the organization yet (barring trades, of course). So yes, there's reasons for optimism in future seasons, but the next few months could be a little bleak.

I agree with your take on this. And Mouncastle is not positionless. And wildcard does not know how weak or erratic his arm is. 

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In fact, if you asked other organizations which of Mullins, Hays or Mountcastle they would take in a trade now - I bet it is split between Hays and Mountcastle.  They love you until you fail. 

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