Jump to content
Legend_Of_Joey

Give Sisco another Chance

Recommended Posts

23 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think Damon and post TJ Crawford were worse than Mullins.

Mickey Rivers.   

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
36 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Right he doesn't throw well.  To be honest to hear people here talk it is amazing he's ahead of five guys.  I thought he was the worst thrower in the history of the game.

He also doesn't frame balls well. At the end of the day he's a well below average catcher that you would not want behind the plate on a competitive team. I'd like to see them try him at 3B next spring.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 minutes ago, MurphDogg said:

Severino is worse at framing and worse overall defensively, per Baseball Prospectus's catching metrics.

Looks up at title of thread.... Oh yeah, this is a Sisco thread. Decides not to ask the point of bringing up Severino in a Sisco thread that is discussing Sisco.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Looks up at title of thread.... Oh yeah, this is a Sisco thread. Decides not to ask the point of bringing up Severino in a Sisco thread that is discussing Sisco.

Yes, comparing our two catchers defensively in a discussion about one of the catcher's defensive shortcoming is a wildly inappropriate breach of protocol.

 

My mistake, I shall return to the scintillating on topic posts rehashing the Gerardo Parra trade in the thread about Givens' trade value.

  • Upvote 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7/3/2019 at 11:22 AM, Tony-OH said:

I realize that anything that doesn't agree with your narrow views makes "zero sense" but those of us that live in a world of shades of gray realize there is much more to this story.

Severino is still a young catcher as well and is superior defensively in many, many aspects behind the plate. You don't just bury Severino which is why Sisco should get PAs at DH and perhaps some at 1B though doesn't make a lot of sense unless you plan to put Mancini back in RF. 

I have zero problems with Sisco catching as well and although he's a well below average defender, this team is going nowhere so why not let him gain experience.

The most important thing right now is to get him every day PAs against right-handed pitching. That should include a healthy share of DHing when not catching.

Stay on topic Tony!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Maybe not a great game with the throws, but glad to see the two base hits, which were pretty key.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Maybe not a great game with the throws, but glad to see the two base hits, which were pretty key.  

I was at the game so I'm not sure about the pop times or anything, but it looked to me as if the bases were stolen almost entirely off of Brooks and that it didn't matter who was back there at catcher.

  • Upvote 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There’s certainly not much harm in Sisco playing catcher with what remains of this disastrous season... and they need to let him get as many at bats as possible. So they can find out if he’s got enough stick to warrant trying him at another position. It’s clear he has no value to the Orioles - be it as a player or as a trade chip - at catcher.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
34 minutes ago, FlipTheBird said:

There’s certainly not much harm in Sisco playing catcher with what remains of this disastrous season... and they need to let him get as many at bats as possible. So they can find out if he’s got enough stick to warrant trying him at another position. It’s clear he has no value to the Orioles - be it as a player or as a trade chip - at catcher.

Yeah we already know Severino's trade valuue.  He was DFA'd.  If he any trade value the Nationals would have traded him. If Sisco plays all season and he has shown he isn't a major league catcher than move on.

We have given Mancini 3 years to show he is a major league outfielder and he still hasn't shown it.  Shoot we gave Reimold like 10 years to show it. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

He also doesn't frame balls well. At the end of the day he's a well below average catcher that you would not want behind the plate on a competitive team. I'd like to see them try him at 3B next spring.

As always, depends on how he hits.  He hits enough the other stuff is forgiven.  Now will be hit enough to be a starter on a contender?  Probably not.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

He also doesn't frame balls well. At the end of the day he's a well below average catcher that you would not want behind the plate on a competitive team. I'd like to see them try him at 3B next spring.

Trying him at 3rd makes a lot of sense. It probably did before, but after drafting AR, why not?  He played SS in HS. He would have at least an average arm at 3rd. It’s not like he’s been C in pro ball for years, and he’s worn down. He’s been strictly C for like 4 years. 

My only hesitation right now is that he’s raking playing C. Plus, we can keep him at C to make him as valuable as an asset as possible then adjust once AR is here. I’m thinking AR is here the 2nd half of 2021. Not going to need much development. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

As always, depends on how he hits.  He hits enough the other stuff is forgiven.  Now will be hit enough to be a starter on a contender?  Probably not.

You obviously devalue the defensive worth of a catcher. I'm a big proponent of good defensive catching and unfortunately, I don't see enough things from Sisco that would make me want him behind the plate in big games against a good team. Also, with Rutchsman coming, I'd like to see him tried at other positions, particularly 3B since there is a need in the system there.

I do feel better about his bat after this season, but I'm still perplexed by how bad he was in just about every aspect last year with regard to stats and analytics. He definitely is a lot stronger so there's that. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 hours ago, MurphDogg said:

Stay on topic Tony!

The post above that you quoted was responding to a post that was talking about the comparison. You went off subject by quoting my evaluation of Sisco and bringing up Severino which is not what I was discussing. Had I mentioned Severino or made any mention of Sisco being the worse defensive catcher than that comment would have been appropriate.

I realize that nuance is not easy for everyone.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 hours ago, MurphDogg said:

I was at the game so I'm not sure about the pop times or anything, but it looked to me as if the bases were stolen almost entirely off of Brooks and that it didn't matter who was back there at catcher.

By the way, on the first stolen base Brooks was 1.28 to home plate (1.3 is considered average) and Sisco's pop time was actually right on his average 2.10 which is amongst the lowest in baseball. That one is more on Sisco.

The second steal was definitely on Brooks. He was slow to the plate 1.5 and both runners never stopped moving. He clearly did not think they would try a double steal. Sisco actually had a 2.0 pop time on the second throw but it wasn't close because of bad a job Brooks did. 

 

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


Orioles Information


Orioles News and Information

Daily Organizational Boxscores

News

Tony's Takes

Orioles Roster Resource

Orioles Prospect Information

2018 End of Season Top 30 Prospects List

Prospect Scouting Reports

Statistics

2019 Orioles Stats

2019 Orioles Minor League Stats

Baseball Savant Stats







  • Posts

    • If you think trading Villar for scraps is a good idea (which is the same thing as "cash dumping" Jim Johnson, btw), then non-tendering him really isn't a big leap from there and it likely has the same end result. My point in all of this has been that non-tendering Villar to save money isn't some preposterous outcome. It's very defensible, and it's possible that no other team wants to touch him at his arb-salary while giving up anything of potential future value in return.
    • I think Luke's pretty high on Cumberland.  But other than that I generally agree with your take.
    • Major leagues definitely needs the minor leagues.  Players don't go from college straight to MLB.  Scrimmages are not going to make you major league ready.  It would cost them even more money to have games without fans. Plus how much would it cost to shuttle players back  and forth from Florida to say Detroit?   I think you are truly under estimating the value minor league baseball provides to MLB. I think this is all about the lawsuit from minor league players saying they are being paid below minimum wage.  I guess a simpler solution is lower the amount of bonuses you pay drafted players and increase salaries.  That would make the pay more equitable.  And provide housing for the players.  And cater their food.     
    • I hate to ruin this guy’s narrative, but Kevin Goldstein is hardly one of the “young finance and Wall Street bros.”    I don’t know exactly how old he is, but he’s got a 21-year old son, and so far as I know, he has no background on Wall Street or finance, having previously been a long-standing scouting guru for Baseball Prospectus.   And, he didn’t “immediately” send out his email after getting hired; he’d been working for the Astros for 5 years at that point.   
    • Just based on the eye test, this is the best team in football.  They are a more complete team than anyone else.  You do worry about Jackson getting injured, but I think every player other than Brady (somehow, in spite of his middle age) is susceptible to injury at any given time.  Just looking at the schedule, I think the Ravens will get the 2 seed.  It isn't that they can't win their last 6, because they can.  I just don't think New England is losing any more games.  The Patriots are not the Patriots of old and their final 15-1 record will be more indicative of their fortunate scheduling (having Dallas and KC at home helps a lot, as does 6 games against a pathetic division).  The Chiefs are not beating the Ravens twice, especially if the game is in Baltimore.  And no other AFC team is capable of winning in New England in January.  So I think it comes down to yet another Ravens-Patriots showdown in Mass.  The good news is this may be the only franchise not scared of the Patriots "aura and mystique," but they will have to beat them twice.  Hard to do. 
    • So baseball want in increase their fanbase and tweak the game, and keep current fans, bring back old fans, and attract new fans. So you go and screw with everybody minor league system.  
    • My granddaddy shot a 72 on his 72nd birthday. I shot a 60 back on my 60th, those rotating ducks was no match for me.
  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...