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34 minutes ago, NashLumber said:

This is such a bad look for the players and they're getting killed on Twitter for their comments. I don't understand why they don't just let the Player's Union speak for them and fight the battle. Isn't that the whole purpose of a union?

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23 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

This is such a bad look for the players and they're getting killed on Twitter for their comments. I don't understand why they don't just let the Player's Union speak for them and fight the battle. Isn't that the whole purpose of a union?

A Union is only as strong as its most valuable members.   I don’t know if I completely agree with these guys but I admire them for speaking up.  

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3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

A Union is only as strong as its most valuable members.   I don’t know if I completely agree with these guys but I admire them for speaking up.  

Eh Buster sounded like a fool in saying a 115 loss team should be in win now mode and Longoria had no credibility since he'd never been a free agent or even in arbitration.

They need to move the discussion to an area they can win, how underpaid young players are.

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There is such a huge disparity between the upper echelon of spenders and the bottom feeders that it’s like there are two free agent periods that overlap one another. Of course guys like Machado and Harper will have limited appeal to clubs considering most clubs simply cannot field a winning team with a $30m/yr player sucking up such a large portion of payroll. Then you have the clubs anticipating bargain contracts when the big spenders get their fill. You’ve got players and agents doing their best to not be a bargain but yet holding out for ridiculous money. The system is broken, I agree but I don’t think it’s broken for the same reasons a guy like Verlander does. Institute a hard payroll cap and do something to create an incentive for clubs not to avoid the free agent market all together.

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1 minute ago, oriole said:

There is such a huge disparity between the upper echelon of spenders and the bottom feeders that it’s like there are two free agent periods that overlap one another. Of course guys like Machado and Harper will have limited appeal to clubs considering most clubs simply cannot field a winning team with a $30m/yr player sucking up such a large portion of payroll. Then you have the clubs anticipating bargain contracts when the big spenders get their fill. You’ve got players and agents doing their best to not be a bargain but yet holding out for ridiculous money. The system is broken, I agree but I don’t think it’s broken for the same reasons a guy like Verlander does. Institute a hard payroll cap and do something to create an incentive for clubs not to avoid the free agent market all together.

If the younger players start costing more it will make free agents more attractive.

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18 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

If the younger players start costing more it will make free agents more attractive.

I think that makes some sense but part of the appeal of unproven talent is the low financial risk. So if we’re talking about raising MLB minimum salaries to a million or so, then sure. But any more than that then you exacerbate the issue of payroll disparity by pushing free agents value higher plus making the unproven guys more risky. 

A payroll cap makes much more sense in my mind. I want to say a payroll floor as well but that seems like a slippery slope and probably (or definitely) not a good idea. But say a team can only spend $200 million a year on payroll and maybe anything past that deducts payroll space for the following year. That would even the playing field not only in wins and losses but in how teams value players. 

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2 minutes ago, oriole said:

I think that makes some sense but part of the appeal of unproven talent is the low financial risk. So if we’re talking about raising MLB minimum salaries to a million or so, then sure. But any more than that then you exacerbate the issue of payroll disparity by pushing free agents value higher plus making the unproven guys more risky. 

A payroll cap makes much more sense in my mind. I want to say a payroll floor as well but that seems like a slippery slope and probably (or definitely) not a good idea. But say a team can only spend $200 million a year on payroll and maybe anything past that deducts payroll space for the following year. That would even the playing field not only in wins and losses but in how teams value players. 

The NFL has a cap, and the Patriots.

The NBA has a cap, and the Warriors.

I'm not sold a cap is the solution, heck they have a de facto cap going now.

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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

The NFL has a cap, and the Patriots.

The NBA has a cap, and the Warriors.

I'm not sold a cap is the solution, heck they have a de facto cap going now.

You got me there. I can’t argue that. 

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51 minutes ago, Frobby said:

A Union is only as strong as its most valuable members.   I don’t know if I completely agree with these guys but I admire them for speaking up.  

I admired Curt Flood and Dave McNally.

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8 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

The NFL has a cap, and the Patriots.

The NBA has a cap, and the Warriors.

I'm not sold a cap is the solution, heck they have a de facto cap going now.

NBA- Only takes 6-7 players to win. 

NFL- Belicek and the joke that is the AFC East. 

MLB doesn’t want a cap because they want the Yankees and Red Sox in the WS every year. 

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23 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

NBA- Only takes 6-7 players to win. 

NFL- Belicek and the joke that is the AFC East. 

MLB doesn’t want a cap because they want the Yankees and Red Sox in the WS every year. 

MLB owners want a cap.  They haven't been pushing for one for decades as some sort of long con.

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11 hours ago, oriole said:

Of course guys like Machado and Harper will have limited appeal to clubs considering most clubs simply cannot field a winning team with a $30m/yr player sucking up such a large portion of payroll. 

Teams may choose to not do that, but they could.  Every year, or almost every year, a team or three wins 90 games with a payroll 75% of league average.  Last year the Rays had the lowest payroll in baseball, $68M, and won 90.  The A's were third-lowest and won 97.  Those teams couldn't have won with a payroll 85% of average while adding a 6-win player?

If you can win 90+ with one of the lowest payrolls in the league you can certainly win 90+ with an average payroll and one guy taking up 20-25% of it.

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2 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

MLB owners want a cap.  They haven't been pushing for one for decades as some sort of long con.

I thought the luxury cap crap system was what they wanted, an ability to overspend the cap, if they wanted to?????

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13 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

I thought the luxury cap crap system was what they wanted, an ability to overspend the cap, if they wanted to?????

The commish has good reasons to act like "The Owners" are a monolithic bloc that's always in lock-step.  But I guarantee that the Rays' and A's owners have significantly different perspectives and desires than the Yanks' and Red Sox'.  You think the Pirates are going to the mat for the ability to overspend on the cap?

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