Jump to content
Diehard_O's_Fan

MLB and Union talk major rule changes

Recommended Posts

2 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:

So much for the situational one batter pitcher.

Yeah nothing is as boring as having them bring in a reliever they face one batter and then they bring in another reliever.  If a guy can only face one type of hitter he should't be in the league. I would rather have more pinch hitters. It doesn't take any time to pinch hit for someone and would lead to more offense. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
58 minutes ago, Diehard_O's_Fan said:

Since the Orioles are hoping to rebuild their team through the draft, wouldn't the proposed draft changes absolutely kill them?

Nope.  They just have to make an effort to win more games.  Why reward a team for being the worst team in the league?  The Orioles should be working to win more games this season. If they don't want to spend the money to improve their team than they should not be rewarded with the top pick two years in a row.  Finishing last should not be a goal of anyone. It is poor sportsmanship and ruins the integrity of the game. 

  • Confused 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, atomic said:

Lowering mound would help hitters.

I have suggested the 3 batter minimum for pitchers many times. Also the limit on the number of pitchers on roster. I think all the changes are good.  Like the minimum of 14 non-pitchers.  

Draft change is good for Orioles.  I like if you lose 90 games back to back seasons you are punished in the draft. This will help the Orioles and protect them from their cheap owners.  The Orioles are a disgrace this year.  No team should not making any effort to improve themselves.  Doing this is going to kill the sport if nothing is done.  

Tell that to Tampa, KC, Houston, etc.

The ONLY way for small market teams to reset and start over is by having a couple bad seasons and rebuilding through the draft.  Signing guys like Jones gets us a couple extra wins but still doesn't move the needle.  Hell, last year we had Jones, Schoop, Manny, etc. and STILL had 115 losses.   Not sure why this is so hard for some people to understand.  

 

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, Dipper9 said:

Tell that to Tampa, KC, Houston, etc.

The ONLY way for small market teams to reset and start over is by having a couple bad seasons and rebuilding through the draft.  Signing guys like Jones gets us a couple extra wins but still doesn't move the needle.  Hell, last year we had Jones, Schoop, Manny, etc. and STILL had 115 losses.   Not sure why this is so hard for some people to understand.  

  

I didn't say to sign Jones.  But there are low salary players that could help the Orioles get better that the Orioles are ignoring. And with all these teams trying to be worse I could see teams putting out guys who are really terrible just to lose more games than the next team.  It is ruining the game. It is one thing if you try hard and lose games like the Orioles did last season it is another to do nothing to improve your team so you purposely are the worst.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not a fan of a DH in both leagues. That being said, I would like to see a DH used whenever AL and NL teams play interleague whether it be in a NL park or AL park. 

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, atomic said:

Yeah nothing is as boring as having them bring in a reliever they face one batter and then they bring in another reliever.  If a guy can only face one type of hitter he should't be in the league. I would rather have more pinch hitters. It doesn't take any time to pinch hit for someone and would lead to more offense. 

I agree boring.

But, I am more against adding legislation to govern the action of the game.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, atomic said:

Nope.  They just have to make an effort to win more games.  Why reward a team for being the worst team in the league?  The Orioles should be working to win more games this season. If they don't want to spend the money to improve their team than they should not be rewarded with the top pick two years in a row.  Finishing last should not be a goal of anyone. It is poor sportsmanship and ruins the integrity of the game. 

If you talked  to any of the players or management for that matter, you’d be hard pressed to find a single voice claiming failure is their immediate goal.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

If you talked  to any of the players or management for that matter, you’d be hard pressed to find a single voice claiming failure is their immediate goal.

LOL. Of course losing is their immediate goal.  Their SS solution is a Rule 5 guy.  Who will be 4th and 5th starter? They want to lose.  If you win 47 games and don't do anything to improve your team you want to lose.  Everyone on here was mocking the Marlins before last season.  They won 16 more games than the Orioles.  But I guess when the Orioles do the same thing it is OK.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, atomic said:

LOL. Of course losing is their immediate goal.  Their SS solution is a Rule 5 guy.  Who will be 4th and 5th starter? They want to lose.  If you win 47 games and don't do anything to improve your team you want to lose.  Everyone on here was mocking the Marlins before last season.  They won 16 more games than the Orioles.  But I guess when the Orioles do the same thing it is OK.  

The SS is not assigned yet. Yes, they invited a rule 5 to ST, and it sounds a bit promising, but at this point, who knows?

Its not unusual at this stage of the off season, to not have a clear idea of who would be in the 4th and 5th slot. You dont even need the 5th slot until week 3 of the regular season.

They do not want to lose, they said expect to be competitive and play ball.

So continue to mock the team and complain.

The sun will continue to rise and set and the sky is not falling.

 

 

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, atomic said:

LOL. Of course losing is their immediate goal.  Their SS solution is a Rule 5 guy.  Who will be 4th and 5th starter? They want to lose.  If you win 47 games and don't do anything to improve your team you want to lose.  Everyone on here was mocking the Marlins before last season.  They won 16 more games than the Orioles.  But I guess when the Orioles do the same thing it is OK.  

A Rule 5 guy at SS fits their immediate goals of the rebuild. People mocking the Marlins is misplaced. Jeter’s stated goal was to shed salary. He’s done that. I remember the Astros came out and told their fan base their intentions. The Orioles are on the right path regardless of the hand wringing by some.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

 I agree boring.

But, I am more against adding legislation to govern the action of the game.

In every sport you have to add rules to keep the coaches from destroying the game.  Remember in college basketball before they had a shot clock how boring the games would get.  Even when North Carolina had a great team they would play 4 corners offense to stall. In Hockey they eliminated the two line pass rule to open up the game as teams all implemented boring neutral zone trap..  Football is constantly changing the rules to improve the watch ability. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

A Rule 5 guy at SS fits their immediate goals of the rebuild. People mocking the Marlins is misplaced. Jeter’s stated goal was to shed salary. He’s done that. I remember the Astros came out and told their fan base their intentions. The Orioles are on the right path regardless of the hand wringing by some.

The rules need to be changed so the plan doesn't work anymore.  It is bad for the game.  Attendance is down around the league and will keep going down with more teams doing this.  And if half the league tries to lose  on purpose the Astro's plan won't even work anymore. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, atomic said:

In every sport you have to add rules to keep the coaches from destroying the game.  Remember in college basketball before they had a shot clock how boring the games would get.  Even when North Carolina had a great team they would play 4 corners offense to stall. In Hockey they eliminated the two line pass rule to open up the game as teams all implemented boring neutral zone trap..  Football is constantly changing the rules to improve the watch ability. 

I remember all that, and even the 3 shot was going to ruin the game.

Yet, there is talk of a 4 point shot line.

While Football is constantly changing the rules, I not always in favor of their changes.

Ok, so I admit, your side of this discussion has merits.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I certainly think they should unify the DH rule to both leagues or neither.  26th man makes a lot of sense.  Single trade deadline would be better.  20 second pitch clock is good.

I wouldn't change the mound.  I would not change the draft as suggested though I support allowing the trade of draft picks (like every other sport).  You really can't have a min batter rule IMO.  For what it's worth I don't care where the 7 fielders stand either, i.e., learn to adjust to the shift.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, atomic said:

In every sport you have to add rules to keep the coaches from destroying the game.  Remember in college basketball before they had a shot clock how boring the games would get.  Even when North Carolina had a great team they would play 4 corners offense to stall. 

My senior year at Duke (1979) Dean Smith played four corners the entire first half and the score at halftime was Duke 7, UNC 0.   Yes, zero.    Good riddance to that.   

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


Orioles Information


Orioles News and Information

Daily Organizational Boxscores
News

Tony's Takes

Orioles Roster Resource

Orioles Prospect Information

2018 End of Season Top 30 Prospects List

Prospect Scouting Reports

Statistics

2019 Orioles Stats

2019 Orioles Minor League Stats

Baseball Savant Stats






  • Posts

    • Clearly I am failing to get my point across. I'm tired. Have any opinion you want. At the end of the day, you have an opinion, I have facts. My facts state that Elias has dumped one player that became an impact player and he has not acquired any. Does that mean he will never acquire any? No.  Does it mean he missed something of that the technology may not always have the answers, incomplete. I like a lot of what Elias has done in changing things within the organization, but so far his talent evaluations of players he's brought in have not been very good. Grant it, these guys are waiver claims and few of them will turn into anything, but so far he's found middle/long relievers and utility guys or sub par guys they've run out as starters the last two years. I expect things to improve, but what we don't know yet is whether he will be given a budget to help improve the team in the future. Afterall, if they are really making coaching moves based on salary (I still don't believe this) then you can throw away any chances of the team being competitive soon so he will need to build completely from within. My hope was that Elias had the technological and scouting eye to find unearthed talent in other organizations. Instead, he failed to pick up Yaz's potential and the guys he has selected have not shown they are part of a winning future.  Sure, maybe we can give him a pass on Yaz, but he also hired the coaches yet the SF coaches in less then a few weeks found a way to make Yaz an impact player. The man at the top gets credit when things go well, but also must take the blame when they don't.  
    • I know Elias wants to know if he missed something in his evaluation, sure. Why wouldn't he. But I doubt he is losing sleep over this. Yaz was traded on March 23, 2019. At that time, he was a 28 year old OF with average speed, maybe an average arm, below average power for a corner OF that does not play CF. He's 5-10 178 lbs. and was no longer a prospect. He was slowed by injuries, often playing dinged up. Dan Duquette alluded to his injuries in an interview that I saw and stated he had struggled with his progression. He had never really excelled in AAA. He was behind Austin Hays, Yusniel Diaz, Anthony Santander, Ryan McKenna, Cedric Mullins and DJ Stewart for playing time in AA/AAA OF playing time. No one knew that several of these players would struggle with injuries and inconsistency, but they were all much more highly regarded prospects than Yaz. At that time, the only AAA OF he was more highly regarded than was Jaycob Brugman, and he was absolutely terrible. Elias decided to cut bait so that actual prospects could play meaningful innings and get the developmental at bats. No other team even thought so much of him as to take him in the rule 5 draft. Did the Giants know something? No, they just got lucky that this one panned out. They had no idea he would do what he has done, no way.  As far as the technology, it isn't something that will diagnose and fix every swing. It gives you lots of data, and it takes time, more than a few weeks, to work through any changes/adjustments needed. Obviously, Elias and his staff were not impressed with what they saw compared to the other guys. Then, Yaz was traded and something changed over the next few months in AAA for him. Great for him. Maybe he started to make good changes from what he learned from the Elias staff, but it took time to begin to show in games. That is often the case with swing changes, approach adjustments. Maybe it was the Giants who found something. Maybe it was something else, who knows.  Was he going to be the same player in Baltimore, facing the AL East? IDK, I would guess likely not. There have been many examples over they years of players who had impact careers out West and got traded to an Eastern team, only to struggle. Would it have been nice to see him do that here in Baltimore, of course. I just don't see why this has become such a hotly contested thing. Hindsight is easy to see clearly. His tools have never indicated this kind of production. There is not one prospect report that says he would do anything like he is doing.  I know you are pretty positive about Elias and Sig. To point to Elias's failure to produce waiver wire pick ups and minor trades into an impact player is incomplete, honestly, in COVID 2020 crazy season. He has no money to spend, and yet most of the ML team was picked up off waivers and minor league free agency and still competed on most nights. The final record looks worse than it was. I would say his record was excellent in the first half. Santander got hurt and many young players struggled badly. Solid approaches went out the window entirely.  Pedro Severino had an OPS north of .850 in July/August and he began to look like an all star (offensively), but he chased much more in September and his numbers faded badly to .250/.322/.388/.710 Jose Iglesias was an impact signing, despite the injuries and many at bats in the DH role .373/.400/.556/.956 Hanser Alberto is what he is a well below-average defender with little power, and he faded badly in September as well .283/.306/.393/.698 Pat Valaika was very good, I thought, for what his role is. .277/.315/.475/.791 Rio Ruiz is probably not the answer at 3B, but I think he gets one more year to see if he can figure it out .222/.286/.427/.713 Richie Martin will be vastly improved, he reported so much stronger than in 2019 and I think his injury robbed him of a breakout of sorts, the swing looked so much more fluid and quick in Spring camp. Ramon Urias might just make Alberto expendable, and I believe he will hit and produce better overall numbers and play better defense. Obviously, Dwight Smith Jr. was a failure. Early in 2019, he certainly looked like he was a certain upgrade to Yaz. The the injuries in late May, neck and shoulder. He has not been the same since. Most of the resources have gone into minor league and international infrastructure. To criticize Elias for the Yaz trade in hindsight, honestly it's silly. No one batted an eye at the time of the deal. Can we just be happy for the guy and not look for someone to blame? If there is a pattern here, then ok, there's a problem. This one baffles everyone because no one saw this coming. And where would Yaz play in our OF next season? Over Mountcastle, Santander, Hays, Mullins, Mancini...? 
    • Who are the #23 and #24 Prospects?
    • https://www.orioleshangout.com/2020/10/25/20-2020-prospect-kyle-bradish-rhp/
    • Back to the Snell/Fairbanks/Anderson/Castillo even numbered game quartet to try and set up Buehler (and Kershaw?) v. The World Wednesday night. The Dodgers have clearly dented the relief aces, but I don't look for any process change in Game 6. This feels like it should be over 4-1 but for the gods putting their thumbs on the scale last night - an excellent bonus baseball gift.
    • You a few others really are missing my point. I'm done trying to make it. Read what I wrote in other posts.
  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...