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38 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I’d love to know which voices were advocating for Davis.   Buck?   Brady?   Both?    Someone else?

I find it interesting that Walters went public with this.   Did he do that on his own initiative?    Did Duquette ask him to do it?    I’m a little surprised he wasn’t subject to a non-disclosure agreement.    Maybe he was, but ignored it.

 

Lucky for Walters the Angelos family isn’t the type to sue................wait.

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1 hour ago, drjohnnyfeva said:

I remember reading someplace that Trumbo was initially traded for as a fallback if Davis became either too expensive or simply chose to sign with another club.   The feeling at the time when Trumbo was signed was that Davis was all but gone.  Part of that story - - - and I wish I could remember where I read it, but it must have been the Fishwrap or MASN, was that DD was not inclined to over-spend to sign Davis.  So in comes Trumbo in Dec 2015 for the 2016 season and Davis is resigned in Jan. 2016.  It all seemed fishy at the time after reading the article I read... and then, of course all of the innuendo about power plays in the warehouse...

The article is excellent.  He has to go.  Merciful choice.

 

1 hour ago, atomic said:

I would assume by the article that Trumbo 3 year deal was an Angelos deal as well.  It doesn't make sense to sign him to a 3 year deal as you got Mancini coming up and Davis signed to first. I think Peter Angelos is always enthralled by big home run seasons.  Brady, Trumbo and Davis all got rewarded. 

Idk, the Trumbo deal wasn't outrageous for a guy who had just come off of a career year.  I could see this again as a DD cheap fallback on Davis.  Altho, Old Pete loves his HR guys, so who knows?  I don't look at the Trumbo FA deal in the grand scheme as something that broke the bank or that we overpaid on it at the time.  I think the suggestion at the time was he was looking for a lot more and pundits expected something more.  He's not an easy trade now at that money because he hasn't lived up to expectations.   So perhaps THERE is the evidence.  Someone or group w/in the org overvalued FA talent or valued vets over what might be promoted from the farm.

At least this article settled SOME of the arguments...

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Just now, drjohnnyfeva said:

 

Idk, the Trumbo deal wasn't outrageous for a guy who had just come off of a career year.  I could see this again as a DD cheap fallback on Davis.  Altho, Old Pete loves his HR guys, so who knows?  I don't look at the Trumbo FA deal in the grand scheme as something that broke the bank or that we overpaid on it at the time.  I think the suggestion at the time was he was looking for a lot more and pundits expected something more.  He's not an easy trade now at that money because he hasn't lived up to expectations.   So perhaps THERE is the evidence.  Someone or group w/in the org overvalued FA talent or valued vets over what might be promoted from the farm.

At least this article settled SOME of the arguments...

They are not talking about the Trumbo free agent deal, they are talking about when they traded for Trumbo.

And yea the FA deal was outrageous for a guy not coming off a career year given the market that existed.

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2 hours ago, TradeAngelos said:

Every day that goes by Duquette looks better and better, and the owner looks worse. Yet Duquette was trashed for 4 years straight around here while some (very very few actually) of us realized how hard (impossible?) his job was working for the tyrant that is Angelos. This is just yet another, now irrefutable example. 

I always thought DD was a guy who wasn't given full autonomy and made the best out of a crappy situation.

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28 minutes ago, sakata_catching said:

It's naive to think this stops with him getting a hit.

Right i'd still like him to play out the year until Mountcastle or some of the OF's are ready. Right now Davis isnt blocking anyone so he deserves to keep playing. The streak is fitting since he had the worst batting average in history last year. 

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48 minutes ago, sakata_catching said:

It's naive to think this stops with him getting a hit.

Yup. 1 for 4 with a bloop single and 3 K's will hardly make this go away.

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

that Walters went public with this.   Did he do that on his own initiative?    Did Duquette ask him to do it?    I’m a little surprised he wasn’t subject to a non-disclosure agreement.    Maybe he was, but ignored it.

 

Heck.  If Porn hookers can disregard a NDA, why can't everyone?

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Somewhere, someone needs to make a meme of a ship called the SS Cost nestled at the bottom of a lagoon.

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43 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I always thought DD was a guy who wasn't given full autonomy and made the best out of a crappy situation.

He made plenty of idiotic decisions all by himself. He gets a pass for a few of them, but only a few.

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2 hours ago, drjohnnyfeva said:

 

Idk, the Trumbo deal wasn't outrageous for a guy who had just come off of a career year.  I could see this again as a DD cheap fallback on Davis.  Altho, Old Pete loves his HR guys, so who knows?  I don't look at the Trumbo FA deal in the grand scheme as something that broke the bank or that we overpaid on it at the time.  I think the suggestion at the time was he was looking for a lot more and pundits expected something more.  He's not an easy trade now at that money because he hasn't lived up to expectations.   So perhaps THERE is the evidence.  Someone or group w/in the org overvalued FA talent or valued vets over what might be promoted from the farm.

At least this article settled SOME of the arguments...

Trumbo was not DD and instead others in organization having Angelo's ear.

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4 hours ago, Frobby said:

I’d love to know which voices were advocating for Davis.   Buck?   Brady?   Both?    Someone else?

I find it interesting that Walters went public with this.   Did he do that on his own initiative?    Did Duquette ask him to do it?    I’m a little surprised he wasn’t subject to a non-disclosure agreement.    Maybe he was, but ignored it.

 

He's probably trying to save his professional reputation.  He was economic adviser to the Baltimore Orioles when they signed the worst contract in history.  He needs to get it out there that the signing was very much against his recommendation and advice.  The man needs to be able to find work.

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1 hour ago, atomic said:

Trumbo was not DD and instead others in organization having Angelo's ear.

i would dearly love to read a DD book if it contained an honest account of just what the h*ll went on during PA's last years in charge. Would be a must read for this O's fan.

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26 minutes ago, Ridgway22 said:

i would dearly love to read a DD book if it contained an honest account of just what the h*ll went on during PA's last years in charge. Would be a must read for this O's fan.

Yeah from the last year of Andy Macphail to last year of DD would be pretty interesting story to all baseball fans.

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