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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Even if I accept that he does have a marginally better resume the truth of the matter is she went from coveted property to courtesy interview in a few years.  Not a lot of these jobs open up and mostly if you get offered one you take it.

TLC never got a full time GM gig and I'm betting he won't ever get another interview for one.

TLC never deserved one. But Alex got him a golden exit payment.

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37 minutes ago, atomic said:

Yeah front-office experience.  Making trades, signing players to contracts, stocking farm system with guys who can help the big club if necessary. Analytics.  Being in charge of the people who do player development and scouting.  She had a better resume clearly. 

Probably why the team is so terrible this year is Elias is learning on the job.  He forgot that the teams needs guys at triple A that can help the team during the year.  

Hard to get a job in MLB as GM if you are a minority or a woman.   

 

I’m not in the mood to argue with you.    But do you have information that Ng was responsible for trades, signing players to contracts, stocking the farm clubs or analytics?    Or are you just guessing?    I’m not saying she did or she didn’t, because I certainly don’t know.   If there’s one thing we know in Baltimore, it’s that a front office title can mean a lot of different things.   

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1 hour ago, atomic said:

Yeah front-office experience.  Making trades, signing players to contracts, stocking farm system with guys who can help the big club if necessary. Analytics.  Being in charge of the people who do player development and scouting.  She had a better resume clearly. 

Probably why the team is so terrible this year is Elias is learning on the job.  He forgot that the teams needs guys at triple A that can help the team during the year.  

Hard to get a job in MLB as GM if you are a minority or a woman.   

 

She clearly had a better resume with regards to the things you're looking for in a GM.  Most notably that she's not Mike Elias.

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1 hour ago, atomic said:

Yeah front-office experience.  Making trades, signing players to contracts, stocking farm system with guys who can help the big club if necessary. Analytics.  Being in charge of the people who do player development and scouting.  She had a better resume clearly. 

Probably why the team is so terrible this year is Elias is learning on the job.  He forgot that the teams needs guys at triple A that can help the team during the year.  

Hard to get a job in MLB as GM if you are a minority or a woman.   

 

The team is no worse than it was last year.  25 W's on this date in 2018. It is a lot cheaper.

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44 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

She clearly had a better resume with regards to the things you're looking for in a GM.  Most notably that she's not Mike Elias.

 I never said she was a better choice than Elias just that she had a better resume which is obvious.

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2 hours ago, atomic said:

Yeah front-office experience.  Making trades, signing players to contracts, stocking farm system with guys who can help the big club if necessary. Analytics.  Being in charge of the people who do player development and scouting.  She had a better resume clearly. 

Probably why the team is so terrible this year is Elias is learning on the job.  He forgot that the teams needs guys at triple A that can help the team during the year.  

Hard to get a job in MLB as GM if you are a minority or a woman.   

 

Excuse me, sir.  I'm sorry but your irrationality is showing.

Come on.  Even YOU don't believe that bolded part?  Really?  You think Elias is terrible, because he didn't sign Adam Jones, or didn't sign any 3MM low rent high upside FA.  You don't think he has any ML players to help the team this year!!!  If you believe the bold, why would you believe he forgot that AAA needs players that can help during the year.

If you honestly believe he is that incompetent or even if you believe he is competent but for some reason ownership is forcing incompetence, then by definition there is no hope...at all...AT ALL!

Do I think Elias is perfect?  No, but I have also not watched a GM completely rebuild the Orioles before, so I will admit I don't know the key markers to judge.  But I do know this team is cheaper than last year and is performing at least as well as the team that was going for it last year and kind of the way you describe you would like to see Elias proceed now.   I join you in hating losing.  But we don't have any talent, and what talent we have is gonna have to earn it's way here and those that are here are gonna continue to churn and burn.  Oh, and on the off chance that someone steps forward, they are instantly potential trade bait.  Reconstruction takes time.

But there are perhaps 75 good reasons that the Orioles are terrible this year and another 200 plausible ones.   That Elias is learning on the job....not one of em.

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10 minutes ago, foxfield said:

Excuse me, sir.  I'm sorry but your irrationality is showing.

Come on.  Even YOU don't believe that bolded part?  Really?  You think Elias is terrible, because he didn't sign Adam Jones, or didn't sign any 3MM low rent high upside FA.  You don't think he has any ML players to help the team this year!!!  If you believe the bold, why would you believe he forgot that AAA needs players that can help during the year.

If you honestly believe he is that incompetent or even if you believe he is competent but for some reason ownership is forcing incompetence, then by definition there is no hope...at all...AT ALL!

Do I think Elias is perfect?  No, but I have also not watched a GM completely rebuild the Orioles before, so I will admit I don't know the key markers to judge.  But I do know this team is cheaper than last year and is performing at least as well as the team that was going for it last year and kind of the way you describe you would like to see Elias proceed now.   I join you in hating losing.  But we don't have any talent, and what talent we have is gonna have to earn it's way here and those that are here are gonna continue to churn and burn.  Oh, and on the off chance that someone steps forward, they are instantly potential trade bait.  Reconstruction takes time.

But there are perhaps 75 good reasons that the Orioles are terrible this year and another 200 plausible ones.   That Elias is learning on the job....not one of em.

Yeah that is for most of the season we had only 3 guys in rotation who could make it to the fourth inning. You can get guys for league minimum who can at least make it to the fourth inning.  Either incompetence or laziness. 

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2 hours ago, atomic said:

Yeah front-office experience.  Making trades, signing players to contracts, stocking farm system with guys who can help the big club if necessary. Analytics.  Being in charge of the people who do player development and scouting.  She had a better resume clearly. 

Probably why the team is so terrible this year is Elias is learning on the job.  He forgot that the teams needs guys at triple A that can help the team during the year.  

Hard to get a job in MLB as GM if you are a minority or a woman.   

 

Ohhhhhhh, THAT'S why the team is so terrible this year! Thanks!!

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7 hours ago, atomic said:

Yeah front-office experience.  Making trades, signing players to contracts, stocking farm system with guys who can help the big club if necessary. Analytics.  Being in charge of the people who do player development and scouting.  She had a better resume clearly. 

Probably why the team is so terrible this year is Elias is learning on the job.  He forgot that the teams needs guys at triple A that can help the team during the year.  

Hard to get a job in MLB as GM if you are a minority or a woman.   

 

If front office experience is the qualifier for a GM role then there would be no need to fire Dan Duquette because he had 18 years of it.

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We're on page 353 and this thread hasn't actually been about Chris Davis in some time. I think it's time to shut it down.

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