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2 minutes ago, Barnaby Graves said:

Which he got despite a strict innings limit of no innings.

I guess there's some high-powered research that's been done which has driven the sport in the direction it's going.  Certainly velocities are up, and maybe how teams manage their pitchers is driving a lot of that; I don't know.

And I still think there needs to be some room for some more humanized decision making where you say, the guy is doing something really amazing and cool, and it's OK if he pushes his limits a bit.  Not just letting pitch count run the show.  And today, pitch count ran the show.  This wasn't a Daniel Cabrera 5 IP, 0 H, 9 BB, 10 K no-hitter.  He was basically cruising and people are using a few loud outs and his appearance some days ago to prop up robotic baseball-by-numbers.  And I don't really want to hear the "gee some people really like to complain about a win," because the pitchers succeeding him did about all they could to dismantle his pitching and the Orioles' offensive efforts.  Pulling him didn't really help anything.

From a human perspective, how about the fact that it's game 4 and both Elias and Hyde are new at their jobs and are going to err on the side of caution? And, they are in charge.

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Just now, atomic said:

Yeah I dont think anyone has any clue on how to keep pitchers healthy. 

They all break. Richie Martin and Mancini were both on top defensive plays tonight. 

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15 minutes ago, weams said:

40 pitches in game two. 80 in game four.  Petey though he should have been aloud to go though ;)

40 pitches in game one wasn’t it?  ...Thursday, not Saturday.   But I still agree with the decision.  All is good at 3-1 and breaking a 10 gMe losing streak in Toronto. 

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7 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

If you would like...I can list the 50 pitchers since 1999 who have pitched no hitters...with the single exception of Johan Santana who went to 134 pitches, I am not aware of any whose career was damaged.   

I Wiki'd the list.  The first name that I wasn't sure about was Phil Humber.  I looked him up -  He pitched a freakin perfect game in APRIL... 2012 after a very solid 2011 season.  He allowed 20 runs in his next 3 starts - in 13.2 innings and his career was over the next season.  Cases like that are probably common.  You don't know for sure one way or the other if the no-hitter caused or contributed to ending his career, but it's certainly possible and perhaps likely.  

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Just now, weams said:

I am having no problem understanding you. I just am disagreeing with you.

And I with you. Yet you seem to have an issue that. How amusing.

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Just now, Yachtsman said:

And I with you. Yet you seem to have an issue that. How amusing.

I have no issue. None. You get to think you are right if you like. 

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2 minutes ago, Moshagge3 said:

I don't understand your question? It was a dominant performance with a comfortable lead. It's not like he had any 12-pitch battles with Mike Trout with the tying run on third. 

I understand where you're coming from, and I know I'll get blasted for this (I also really don't care) but to me, 95 mph is 95 mph.  And if that 95 mph pitch is coming on the 85th pitch in the 7th inning with a comfortable lead...or if that 95 mph pitch is coming on the 85th pitch in the 5th inning...they still threw 85 pitches in a game and were hitting 95.  The only difference is that in the first instance, he's gotten more rest between innings.  

A 12 pitch battle with Mike Trout and a runner on third, I would argue, is more mentally taxing than physically taxing.  It takes a lot more mental energy and strength to bear down and keep attacking in that situation, way more than a 4 pitch at bat that results in a strikeout.  But as I said, if that 85th pitch is coming in the 5th or 7th, 95 is still 95. 

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3 minutes ago, weams said:

I am telling you that he was graded at 80 pitches before the start. That is what I am saying. 

And I am saying you place that calculus into play before trotting him out for another inning.

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2 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

What do you think I am saying? 

My point is we are keeping a bench player who never plays and using an opener with a staff that until tonight hasn’t gone deep. It won’t work. 

Do you think the plan is to keep it going that way all year? I certainly don't. This is baseball. Things change.

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1 minute ago, Ruzious said:

I Wiki'd the list.  The first name that I wasn't sure about was Phil Humber.  I looked him up -  He pitched a freakin perfect game in APRIL... 2012 after a very solid 2011 season.  He allowed 20 runs in his next 3 starts - in 13.2 innings and his career was over the next season.  Cases like that are probably common.  You don't know for sure one way or the other if the no-hitter caused or contributed to ending his career, but it's certainly possible and perhaps likely.  

I've always thought that a guy making a start after a no-hitter almost always has a poor outing.  

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2 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

What do you think I am saying? 

My point is we are keeping a bench player who never plays and using an opener with a staff that until tonight hasn’t gone deep. It won’t work. 

Doesn't make sense to have both Alberto and Jackson on the team.  Pick one of them and send the other packing.

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