Jump to content
Aristotelian

Hyde's Decisions 2019

Recommended Posts

8 minutes ago, Oriole1940 said:

It is really difficult for people who have known MLB when it was really MLB to believe the depths to which MLB has sunk.  .  For those who have not known any different, I guess they see nothing wrong with taking a Starter who was cruising on a low pitch count to a no hitter,  out of the game.  I think back when baseball was the sport that set itself apart from any other one, by being tough, real and one to be proud of.  I do not even want to think what would have happened if a Bob Gibson, Bob Feller, Robin Roberts, etc. would have had someone come out to the mound and even suggest that he come out when he was cruising to a no hitter with a comfortable lead.  All for the sake of what, pitch count?  Those guys back then would have told whoever was brave enough to try to take them out in a situation like that to stick it,  and many unprintable words.  Truly shocking.   

Really hate this kind of gatekeeping. When was it “really MLB?” At some point in between greenies and PEDs? Pre-Moneyball? Before the new-fangled home run?

Edited by Andtothewall
  • Upvote 3
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Letting him pitch 2 and 2/3 innings past his pitch limit is ridiculous.

You have your opinion and I have mine. Mine will not change in this instance. Ever.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Note the caveats, and that in many years it is once. If they break 100 pitches (laboring) is a prime example especially if the pitcher is older. With a young pitcher on a young team, who has thrown less than 80 pitches, you leave him in. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think he should have given him an opportunity to finish the inning and then reevaluate. Considering he stretched out Givens yesterday, I would have thought he might have done the same with Hess. Anyway, not a huge deal. The kid pitched great and most importantly,  gave the pen some relief. Now, hopefully they can win.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Andtothewall said:

Really hate this kind of gatekeeping. When was it “really MLB?” At some point in between greenies and PEDs? Pre-Moneyball? Before the new-fangled home run?

To me, it’s about respect. I am Italian, thi kinda stuff is no touch to me. He has a no-no going, we are going to be terrible & it isn’t the playoffs.... 

Hess deserves the respect. Today he was disrespected. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Andtothewall said:

Coming off short rest and not on pace to finish under 110 pitches, you could just as easily say they respected him by protecting his health. 

70 pitches. 

 

Awful awful awful decision. If you think otherwise than you just like to play contrarian and get people bent out of shape like Frobby & Corn. I doubt either of them actually think that, they just enjoy the reaction.

  • Confused 1
  • Downvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Letting him pitch 2 and 2/3 innings past his pitch limit is ridiculous.

I agree with you most of the time, but pulling a pitcher at 80 pitchss in the middle of a no hitter just isn’t right. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote

David SchoenfieldESPN Senior Writer 

schoenfield_david.png&w=160&h=160&scale=crop

As a rookie for the Orioles in 2018, David Hess got roughed up with a 4.88 ERA and 22 home runs in just 103.1 innings. So of course he tosses 6.1 hitless innings in his first start of 2019 (the first time an Orioles pitcher took a no-hitter into the seventh since Freddy Garcia in 2013, the longest such stretch in the majors). Unfortunately, Hess was removed after 82 pitches and the reliever promptly served up a two-run homer to Randal Grichuk to lose the combined no-hitter.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, TheOtherRipken said:

I agree with you most of the time, but pulling a pitcher at 80 pitchss in the middle of a no hitter just isn’t right. 

If it was one out in the ninth I'd budge and agree with you.

But he wasn't going nine.  I don't see the difference between 6 1/3 and 7.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Rene88 said:

70 pitches. 

 

Awful awful awful decision. If you think otherwise than you just like to play contrarian and get people bent out of shape like Frobby & Corn. I doubt either of them actually think that, they just enjoy the reaction.

Frobby and Corn aren't really like that, they have their opinions and like to think about things from different sides.

And I try to be that way but tonight was still baffling to me.  I couldn't do that.  It's modern analytics and baseball theory completely off the leash.  And while nobody can say what the rest of the game looks like with Hess still in, removing him didn't pay any kind of dividends.  They allowed 5 runs in 7 outs.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


Orioles Information


Orioles News and Information

Daily Organizational Boxscores

News

Tony's Takes

Orioles Roster Resource

Orioles Prospect Information

2018 End of Season Top 30 Prospects List

Prospect Scouting Reports

Statistics

2019 Orioles Stats

2019 Orioles Minor League Stats

Baseball Savant Stats







×
×
  • Create New...