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Now 104 losses if they lose today in home games last year and this year.Record for home losses in a 162 game season ,back to back years is 105..Mets in first two years and Tigers in 2002 and 2003..Orioles have been pathetic at home the last two years. 

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13 hours ago, Going Underground said:

Now 104 losses if they lose today in home games last year and this year.Record for home losses in a 162 game season ,back to back years is 105..Mets in first two years and Tigers in 2002 and 2003..Orioles have been pathetic at home the last two years. 

Not too wild about their on the road record either. :)

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18 hours ago, Ohfan67 said:

Their revenue could decline by 50% and they would still be fine. They don’t invest in infrastructure and have basically zero long term commitments. It doesn’t really matter if they split 10 billion or 5 billion with the players, it’s still a lot of money. And we have yet to see the price of a club decrease or a cheaper National TV deal, etc. I think the decline will be relatively slow and ultimately not that important. As many have noted, Orioles attendance at Memorial stadium was often woeful. I assume most teams historically  made far less money for their owners and players than they do now.  I’m not going to cry if owners and players in 2040 make less.  

Baseball didn't have as much competition many years ago.  If average salaries fell by half or 2/3rds some of the talent base goes elsewhere, to basketball or football or (especially) soccer.  There will always be baseball, but how good will it be?

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4 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:

Not too wild about their on the road record either. :)

Yesterday I checked and their road record stood at something like the 639th-worst of all time.  It's only about 5th-worst in modern Oriole history.  They already have five or six more road wins than in '88 or '18.  I think they're already better than the 2009 O's on the road.

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1 minute ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Yesterday I checked and their road record stood at something like the 639th-worst of all time.  It's only about 5th-worst in modern Oriole history.  They already have five or six more road wins than in '88 or '18.  I think they're already better than the 2009 O's on the road.

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1 hour ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Baseball didn't have as much competition many years ago.  If average salaries fell by half or 2/3rds some of the talent base goes elsewhere, to basketball or football or (especially) soccer.  There will always be baseball, but how good will it be?

Basketball and football have already removed a lot of talent from the pool. Would Trout be a football player if his salary was "only" 17 million a year (and his signing bonus was 10 million instead of 20)? These things tend to evolve in a very hard to predict manner. For example, as entertainment time and money investments are diluted by the public, the ability to draw X number of people either via a screen or in person can actually be worth more even though you are talking about smaller numbers than say in the 1990s. Plus there's some wacky technology ahead. For example, I think at some point for a premium price you will be able to virtually be in a live game. That may happen in a premium site within the stadium at first, but could be replicated in some future version of a sports bar/virtual reality venue all around the country/world. Heck, MLB highlights on twitter and other platforms are probably worth a ton of money and may become even more valuable in the future. Younger generations may not want to sit through a traditional baseball game, but there are ways to engage them for shorter periods of time and potentially in more immersive experiences. I'm sure we could go back and find doom and gloom news articles in the 70s or 80s about the future of baseball. Baseball has not only survived but become financially stronger from the time before commercial radio, through the rise of television, through the rise of professional and collegiate football and basketball, and now to information age. If we could invest in MLB stock, then I'm confident it would be a good investment. 

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1 hour ago, Ohfan67 said:

Basketball and football have already removed a lot of talent from the pool. Would Trout be a football player if his salary was "only" 17 million a year (and his signing bonus was 10 million instead of 20)? These things tend to evolve in a very hard to predict manner. For example, as entertainment time and money investments are diluted by the public, the ability to draw X number of people either via a screen or in person can actually be worth more even though you are talking about smaller numbers than say in the 1990s. Plus there's some wacky technology ahead. For example, I think at some point for a premium price you will be able to virtually be in a live game. That may happen in a premium site within the stadium at first, but could be replicated in some future version of a sports bar/virtual reality venue all around the country/world. Heck, MLB highlights on twitter and other platforms are probably worth a ton of money and may become even more valuable in the future. Younger generations may not want to sit through a traditional baseball game, but there are ways to engage them for shorter periods of time and potentially in more immersive experiences. I'm sure we could go back and find doom and gloom news articles in the 70s or 80s about the future of baseball. Baseball has not only survived but become financially stronger from the time before commercial radio, through the rise of television, through the rise of professional and collegiate football and basketball, and now to information age. If we could invest in MLB stock, then I'm confident it would be a good investment. 

- Trout would certainly play for $17M a year.  But would Mike Yaz spend nine years in the minors if the salary he was chasing for his first (and maybe only three years in the majors) $250k?  And if he could make that much in another sport? 

- Baseball lost a lot of relative popularity in the 60s-80s, but made up for it with new revenues from cable and other TV deals.  Perhaps they could make up for loss of fans through online revenues.  But I kind of doubt that's going to be as big as $100s of millions in cable deals supported by mandatory fees from non-fans.

We'll see what happens, but I think it's clear baseball is thinking about the graying of its shrinking fanbase with the talk of rules changes and experiments in the minors.  Baseball has a huge advantage over some other sports, in that its players usually have all their faculties and can walk at 70.  But people have to want to play and watch something engaging and fun.

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On 9/11/2019 at 2:22 PM, DrungoHazewood said:

Baseball didn't have as much competition many years ago.  If average salaries fell by half or 2/3rds some of the talent base goes elsewhere, to basketball or football or (especially) soccer.  There will always be baseball, but how good will it be?

I dont think that is an issue. We have Dominican, Venezulan and Japanesse players and the population is growing.  They wont ever lack players. Not too many MLB players would make in the NBA or in Soccer.

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