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Forbes 2019 Report - O's 19th in Team Value

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Forbes has posted their annual team valuation report.  The Orioles are in 19th place at $1.28B.  That's more than double the valuation in 2014 ($620M).  Their breakdown has Sports $571M, Market $440M, Stadium $146M, and Brand $123M.  Baltimore is one of only 3 teams that had a negative operating income -$6.5M; the others being TOR -$16M, and the Miami Jeters at -$22M.   The Orioles were 25th in total revenue at $251M

As to local revenue

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The New York Yankees are the most valuable team ($4.6 billion) and had local revenue of $712 million last year, the most in MLB and more than the bottom six teams (Miami Marlins, Tampa Bay Rays, Oakland Athletics, Kansas City Royals, Cincinnati Reds and Baltimore Orioles) had combined.

Forbes list the local revenues for the bottom 5 as follows: MIA $72M, TB $100M, OAK $112M, KC $126M, and CIN $137M for a total of $547M.  They don't list the revenues for Baltimore, so we have to back door our way to guesstimate the number $712M (NY) - $547 (bottom 5) leaves between $138M - $164M for the Orioles.  The low end would be slightly above Cincinnatti whereas the high end keeps the group total lower than NY.

There is also number crunching about the state of the game as a whole.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/04/10/baseball-team-values-2019-yankees-lead-league-at-46-billion/#6f357f9d69b2

https://www.forbes.com/mlb-valuations/list/#tab:overall

https://www.forbes.com/teams/baltimore-orioles/#6d22576dba55

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Orioles also now collecting 100% of TV revenue in the 4th largest combined market, after refusing to pay the Nationals one dime of their TV rights this season. They also will have a bottom 5 payroll for the next 3 years at bare minimum, pocketing a cool quarter BILLION dollars for the Angelos coffers that they will then claim got lost or was spent on the "scouting department".  So in a few years when we actually have a respectable team that is ready for significant pieces, they can cry poor again saying "but but we don't have any money we are just a lowly small market franchise" while the fans fall for it like the sheep they are. It's magic! 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, TradeAngelos said:

Orioles also now collecting 100% of TV revenue in the 4th largest combined market, after refusing to pay the Nationals one dime of their TV rights this season. They also will have a bottom 5 payroll for the next 3 years at bare minimum, pocketing a cool quarter BILLION dollars for the Angelos coffers that they will then claim got lost or was spent on the "scouting department".  So in a few years when we actually have a respectable team that is ready for significant pieces, they can cry poor again saying "but but we don't have any money we are just a lowly small market franchise" while the fans fall for it like the sheep they are. It's magic! 

 

 

BAAAAAAAAAAA

 

I hope you're wrong!

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22 minutes ago, TradeAngelos said:

Orioles also now collecting 100% of TV revenue in the 4th largest combined market, after refusing to pay the Nationals one dime of their TV rights this season. They also will have a bottom 5 payroll for the next 3 years at bare minimum, pocketing a cool quarter BILLION dollars for the Angelos coffers that they will then claim got lost or was spent on the "scouting department".  So in a few years when we actually have a respectable team that is ready for significant pieces, they can cry poor again saying "but but we don't have any money we are just a lowly small market franchise" while the fans fall for it like the sheep they are. It's magic! 

 

 

I don't believe this is accurate.

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5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Your reading comprehension isn’t very good.  

1.   MASN does pay rights fees to the Nats.

2.    This dispute is about MASN’s profits after paying the rights fees. MASN can retain that money and use it for various purposes, or it can pay some or all of the profits out in dividends.   The O’s currently own 70%+ of MASN.    If the company pays any dividends, the O’s get 70%+ of them.  So when MASN doesn’t pay dividends, the O’s lose much more cash flow than the Nats do.

Sorry the facts don’t fit your narrative.  

Thanks, FRobby.  I knew TA's version didn't ring true.

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Just happened across the Forbes football valuations.    The Ravens are worth $2.8 bb, about 2.5 times what the O’s are worth.    About 2/3 of that value comes from shared revenue streams.    Every NFL team is worth $2 bb+.    The Ravens rank 18th.

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10 hours ago, Frobby said:

Just happened across the Forbes football valuations.    The Ravens are worth $2.8 bb, about 2.5 times what the O’s are worth.    About 2/3 of that value comes from shared revenue streams.    Every NFL team is worth $2 bb+.    The Ravens rank 18th.

Interesting to see the Washington FBC is 7th, considering they have been mostly irrelevant for a better part of 30 years. No one goes to the games, or watches them on TV anymore. You can't give their merchandise away either, just goto any TJ Maxx in the area and its full of gear.

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14 hours ago, fansince1988 said:

Interesting to see the Washington FBC is 7th, considering they have been mostly irrelevant for a better part of 30 years. No one goes to the games, or watches them on TV anymore. You can't give their merchandise away either, just goto any TJ Maxx in the area and its full of gear.

It would be interesting to see a comparison of sports and teams in relation to on-field performance.  I get the impression that the NFL's correlation between winning and franchise value is quite low.  I'd guess most of any NFL team's value is shared revenues and market potential, and that the spread (or standard deviation) between NFL team values is lower than in many or most other sports.

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I wish we played in the AL Central. Imagine looking at the schedule and seeing 80 games vs that division. I’d rather be rebuilding in the AL east then doing what the Indians are doing in the AL Central. Just tearing apart a playoff contender. 

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1 hour ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I wish we played in the AL Central. Imagine looking at the schedule and seeing 80 games vs that division. I’d rather be rebuilding in the AL east then doing what the Indians are doing in the AL Central. Just tearing apart a playoff contender. 

Did wonders for the Tigers.

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