I think that any MiL hitter would benefit from going against our MiL pitching at this point. If it didn't benefit them, they're probably already close to Major League All Star level players. Really, any hitter that has to face 95 MPH and decent secondaries will benefit from that. That doesn't mean I'm saying our arms are all ML arms, but they're very good MiL arms, which is toward the top of what they'd be facing if they were actually playing minor league games.
I have expressed my concertns about Elias, but obviously he understands that you have to have a core of young, cheap players that get to the majors around the same time. Players that don't fit this timeline are being traded when the time or return is right. This can make a lot of fans (and me) angry. I'll be surprised if Mancini remains an Oriole past this year, regardless of his production. Its probably more likely he's traded, the better he performs. The O's don't have the deep pockets to acquire multiple top of the line free agents (or at least an owner that is willing to spend in that manner). If the timing isn't right, even massive spending to the luxury tax won't make you a winning, playoff team.
I’m not ignoring any financial issues that occurred in 2020. The Os were crying poor me because of the MASN case or whatever excuse you want to use before covid.
Do you really think the payroll would be another 20-40M if Covid never happened? I’m betting the payroll is the same going into 2021 regardless of the situation.
And I am in no way blaming Elias. I’m really glad he is here and I have basically agreed with everything he has done. I don’t have any complaints about him.
All of my complaints are centered around the family that has driven this organization into the ground for 2 decades. They don’t deserve an ounce of the benefit of the doubt and it’s astounding to me that anyone would give it to them even if we all agree the sons are better than the dad.
Davis and Cobb do not stop you from doing anything if your ownership allows it. The Orioles can easily spend another 20-30M, have those players here and field a better team. That money is spent. You don’t have to hide from it. You just have to work around it. If the team was willing to do that, they easily could.
If Davis retires tomorrow, meaning we aren’t on the hook for his contract, would ownership allow Elias to spend 20M on free agents? Maybe. I tend to doubt it though.
Overall, I love the direction of the team and organization but they should be trying harder to win now and the idea that people accept that they aren’t is absurd to me.
SG, in all honesty, I think you are the one getting the benefit of the doubt. I don't want to take sides here...I for one am not giving the Organization anything. But I will also not judge the Owner or the GM for the asinine actions of their predecessors. Frankly, it's still too early to really have a solid feel for either the Angelos sons or Elias. You seem to have seen enough from both to determine the owner is terrible and the GM cheap or fatally restricted.
The inherited contacts of Davis and Cobb to most of us would have been better to just throw away. But these dollars are not Monopoly money and they do impact the club. If it were my decision Davis would have been gone 2 years ago and I would have to explain to ownership today how the money Covid would have saved can be replaced.
I agree with many of your opinions, but they do seem disassociated from financial reality, not just for the Orioles but for baseball. I wish the Orioles could spend another 20 mil. And I expect them to try to win 162 games. But I am 100% ok with judging them based on progress that is not based solely on wins. Im also 100% ok with any fan who can't accept that. We have all had to swallow some real terrible stuff over the years. For those of us who lived through the Orioles being a model organization it seems like eons ago when wins and losses were also not the litmus test but rather it was pennants.
We are a long way from that and I cannot tell you or anyone else that Mike Elias is gonna get us there or even IF he can, given ownership. But Elias seems to understand the gig and seems to have a plan. Covid probably stymies the timetable, but we are about a year from being in a position to expect some real upward growth. If we fail, I will join you and others in being critical. Until then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that your disdain for past sins is difficult to set aside.
It's gonna be a whole lot more fun when we can debate which All Star we should trade and which one we should extend. As opposed to which player will be left on the roster to DH