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2 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

He would likely have had no idea who either of those individuals were.  

I think the most that happened is that he called Dan and told him to "Trade for somebody but don't spend more money".  In which case Dan should have ignored him.

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7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think a move like Davies for Parra is a bit small potatoes for Angelos to have been involved in.

Maybe ... but it was well know that Peter wantedI to win the big one while he was the owner.

I think he put a tremendous amount of pressure on his GMs to do things his way.

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17 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

I hear you.  I just don't agree with you.  And neither does Trey.    It is the same analytic assumptions that said he wouldn't be productive at the big league level at all.  

OK, fair enough. I think he has already had an amazing career considering he was drafted, what, 209, something like that?  I’ve made it clear that I like guys who are good on both sides of the ball, and it appears that general managers are adopting the same mindset. Everybody would love to have him for free, and probably most people would be happy to pay his current salary, which remains reasonable. But it’s unlikely that anybody wants him enough to trade anything substantial for him. 

That may very well be why Mike is willing to accept guys who Still have so much development ahead, the current value may not be much, but he’s gambling that their value in the future will make the trade a success. That all remains to be seen, but it is a logical approach.

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4 minutes ago, Philip said:

Did I miss something?

No. I like this package for him. He's be a monster in Coors too. Could play either first or LF for then and feel like a real power upgrade. 

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I'd take that deal in a heartbeat. I think Rolison is going to be really good.

But Colo can't sign free agent pitchers. I think they'd do everything possible to avoid trading pitching prospects. 

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34 minutes ago, weams said:

This thread is for proposals. That make sense. 

Right, that’s a really optimistic package, I agree that the Rockies can use him, but they could’ve used Trumbo as well, And I don’t think the Rockies want to give up that much for trey

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4 minutes ago, Philip said:

Right, that’s a really optimistic package, I agree that the Rockies can use him, but they could’ve used Trumbo as well, And I don’t think the Rockies want to give up that much for trey

Then they can’t have him

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1 hour ago, tntoriole said:

I hear you.  I just don't agree with you.  And neither does Trey.    It is the same analytic assumptions that said he wouldn't be productive at the big league level at all.  

No reason to blame this on “analytic assumptions.”   Some scouts thought he wasn’t selective enough, but he continued to grow as a hitter.   

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3 hours ago, Frobby said:

No reason to blame this on “analytic assumptions.”   Some scouts thought he wasn’t selective enough, but he continued to grow as a hitter.   

It just remains to be seen whether his game continues to grow.  Some people think he has peaked and some, like me, think he can and will continue to still improve offensively AND defensively if some team (like maybe one that has lost over 100 games two years running) would simply keep him at 1b for 150 games.  

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11 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

It just remains to be seen whether his game continues to grow.  Some people think he has peaked and some, like me, think he can and will continue to still improve offensively AND defensively if some team (like maybe one that has lost over 100 games two years running) would simply keep him at 1b for 150 games.  

Hyde seems to think so.    Of course, it’s part of his job to say encouraging things about his players.   

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