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7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Naw, just put surplus in the outfield.

If Mountcastle could play outfield, we could have our outfield of the future all at AA or above right now. That's not even including Smith and Stewart. It would be nice to have a true CF in the mix, but I'm not bullish on that at the moment. 

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On 5/25/2019 at 2:52 PM, Cy Bundy said:

I would trade him for the Sally League pitcher of the week for the 2 week of June - if that prospect is one of our own, the deal is still on.

 

Joke?  Why the hate on Mancini?

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https://www.pressboxonline.com/2019/05/28/the-ross-grimsley-show-may-28-2019

 

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Mancini is a fan favorite on a team that doesn't have many options, and the Orioles don't have to move him right now. Again, he has three arbitration years remaining, and perhaps other teams out there aren't sold on this current version. It's not like Mancini is about to head out the door, so there's no need to panic. 
 
Still, refusing to at least explore what Mancini could bring back would be silly. In all likelihood, it wouldn't be a game-changing package of prospects. But things change, and it only takes one team to get enamored with a certain player. 
 
Mancini has a lot going for him, but he's not a star player who the O's need to build around. He's a bat-first player who's unable to regularly play where he fits in best, and he's about to get more expensive starting next season. Keeping him around for a while longer would be an acceptable consolation prize, but it would be even better to get an intriguing return to supplement the organization's other prospect acquisition efforts.

 

Decent article. One angle I just thought of that's not raised by most is Elias betting on Mancini. By that, I mean that Elias believes the bat is under rated and holds out for a very strong offer. I don't know if that's likely, but it could mean that Mancini is both not part of our rebuild plans and around until this off season or next trade deadline.

 

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2 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

https://www.pressboxonline.com/2019/05/28/the-ross-grimsley-show-may-28-2019

 

Decent article. One angle I just thought of that's not raised by most is Elias betting on Mancini. By that, I mean that Elias believes the bat is under rated and holds out for a very strong offer. I don't know if that's likely, but it could mean that Mancini is both not part of our rebuild plans and around until this off season or next trade deadline.

 

It doesn’t make sense to trade Mancini unless Elias gets a strong offer. Better to hold onto a productive hitter than trade him for a mediocre prospect. 

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1 minute ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

It doesn’t make sense to trade Mancini unless Elias gets a strong offer. Better to hold onto a productive hitter than trade him for a mediocre prospect. 

Of course. The question is about how strong the offer is. 

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17 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

Of course. The question is about how strong the offer is. 

In my mind Elias needs to be confident he is getting a starter in return or pitcher with a very good arm. Otherwise I keep Mancini.

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I say we keep him. I see him hitting 30 HR and batting .300 this year. Then his value will sky rocket.

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25 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

It doesn’t make sense to trade Mancini unless Elias gets a strong offer. Better to hold onto a productive hitter than trade him for a mediocre prospect. 

Would depend on the productive hitter's contract status.

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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Would depend on the productive hitter's contract status.

Ok, but Mancini isn't prohibitively expensive yet. Plus he isn't a player I would likely resign once he hits free agency.  

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12 minutes ago, Natty said:

I say we keep him. I see him hitting 30 HR and batting .300 this year. Then his value will sky rocket.

Trumbo hit 47 Homeruns, but his value only skyrocketed with us. The fact is most teams don’t want guys who only hit home runs anymore.

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5 minutes ago, Philip said:

Trumbo hit 47 Homeruns, but his value only skyrocketed with us. The fact is most teams don’t want guys who only hit home runs anymore.

This is the exact reason why I would temper expectations  if Mancini is traded.  I think guys like Nunez and Mancini show you that right handed power hitters who don't really have a defensive home are easy to find.  A lesson the last regime failed to learn or didn't care enough to listen to when they signed Trumbo.  

I think Luke Voit is the best example.  The Yankees gave up nothing for him.  CJ Cron is a bit worse player but illustrates the same thing. 

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37 minutes ago, Lucky_13 said:

This is the exact reason why I would temper expectations  if Mancini is traded.  I think guys like Nunez and Mancini show you that right handed power hitters who don't really have a defensive home are easy to find.  A lesson the last regime failed to learn or didn't care enough to listen to when they signed Trumbo.  

I think Luke Voit is the best example.  The Yankees gave up nothing for him.  CJ Cron is a bit worse player but illustrates the same thing. 

Mancini is not just a decent power hitter, but carries a good BA. He is very bright and as he continues to adjust to ML pitchers, his stats should continue to be good or even better.    And he has a defensive home at 1st base.  If not with the Orioles, then I am sure other teams recognize where his defensive home is.  His defense at 1st base is good considering the bat that he brings to that position. Only 3 errors in each of the last 2 years there, 324 innings in 2017, and 363 innings in 2018.    Also, I believe he is an asset to any teams locker room, as he leads by example, if not with a loud mouth.  I say trade him only if they get a blow me away offer.  Otherwise,  build your next winning team around him.    

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2 minutes ago, Oriole1940 said:

Mancini is not just a decent power hitter, but carries a good BA. He is very bright and as he continues to adjust to ML pitchers, his stats should continue to be good or even better.    And he has a defensive home at 1st base.  If not with the Orioles, then I am sure other teams recognize where his defensive home is.  His defense at 1st base is good considering the bat that he brings to that position. Only 3 errors in each of the last 2 years there, 324 innings in 2017, and 363 innings in 2018.    Also, I believe he is an asset to any teams locker room, as he leads by example, if not with a loud mouth.  I say trade him only if they get a blow me away offer.  Otherwise,  build your next winning team around him.    

Can you give some examples of him adjusting to pitchers?  Thanks in advance.

 

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6 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'll say it again.  You also wanted us to keep Davis and Trumbo.

For that one poster, I know Roy isn't a decision maker for the team.

Yes, but that doesn't make my preference any less valid.I think this kid is a solid player and the likelihood of getting another prospect like him in return is not that high. Mancini is young, controllable, affordable and producing. Not every player needs to be traded...

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1 minute ago, Roy Firestone said:

Yes, but that doesn't make my preference any less valid.I think this kid is a solid player and the likelihood of getting another prospect like him in return is not that high. Mancini is your, controllable, affordable and producing. Not every player needs to be traded...

But if you have a younger and less expensive version ready to go it makes sense to move the older, more expensive version.

Keeping him around for the rebuild years doesn't make sense if he's not going to be part of the next winning team.

 

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