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10 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

 

Let's say you view Mancini as a 3 win/year player over the length of his team control (10 wins). 

If the O's can get 8 wins of projected future value isn't that worth more than 10 wins when they are not going to be competitive?

No, I would not.  I think the value of Mancini, while not guaranteed, is much more certain than your version of 8 projectable wins from a minor league player.  But I get that the value of 8 future wins is pretty equal to 10 present wins and I think that is the point you were making.

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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

It isn't preferred sure.

But would you do the trade I outlined or not? (I realized I reduced it to very simple terms that don't express a lot of the depth of the issue)

Possibly.  I agree it would depend on the depth of the issue.

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Just now, JMU_Birdfan said:

I'm honestly very surprised we haven't heard more rumors of severino being dealt. There has to be a team out there (I'm too lazy to look) that is making a push for the playoffs, has a weak link at catcher, and would prefer something more than a rental.

I understand he's not dominating right now but he's been kinda hot recently and has some defensive value too.

Team might not be willing to hand the reigns over to Sisco and Wynns.

Going to need someone to catch next season.

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16 minutes ago, hoosiers said:

Pound the table all you want - a good trade was made by our former GM and it is staring you right in the face.  Some folks just insist on missing the boat - it will leave without them.

I am not pounding the table, but the thinking is that we could have gotten a little more if O'Day's salary wasn't in the deal. I don't really care if our payroll makes us a laughingstock any more than we already are. Some people don't want salary dumping to cause us to accept B-C prospects for an established MLB starting pitcher with a 98 MPH FB. Even if it looks good in retrospect due to Gausman underperforming, that doesn't make it a good deal.

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1 minute ago, foxfield said:

No, I would not.  I think the value of Mancini, while not guaranteed, is much more certain than your version of 8 projectable wins from a minor league player.  But I get that the value of 8 future wins is pretty equal to 10 present wins and I think that is the point you were making.

On a contending team I'd much rather have the 10 present wins.  But the O's are not going to be a contending team.

As for the certainly, it's projected so yea it might be less but it also might be more.  I'm going with the assumption that Elias and company makes smart decisions on who to trade for.

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20 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I am not pounding the table, but the thinking is that we could have gotten a little more if O'Day's salary wasn't in the deal. I don't really care if our payroll makes us a laughingstock any more than we already are. Some people don't want salary dumping to cause us to accept B-C prospects for an established MLB starting pitcher with a 98 MPH FB. Even if it looks good in retrospect due to Gausman underperforming, that doesn't make it a good deal.

Some people don't understand this is a real organization with real $ that makes decisions with real financial implications.

A year after this trade our organization is ranked eighth in minor league talent according to Baseball America.

At last year's deadline, this organization looked at the possible 2019 major league payroll in relation to a 2019 budget and came to the decision that the cost certainty provided by the salary relief was the best way forward.  I think it is pretty obvious that decision makers chose wisely when in came time to trading Kevin Gausman.  As I mentioned, some folks just insist on missing the boat.  

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31 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

And yet you post here daily.

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You are on the boat for several reasons!

P.S.  As you said recently, ignore is a beautiful thing.

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53 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I am not pounding the table, but the thinking is that we could have gotten a little more if O'Day's salary wasn't in the deal. I don't really care if our payroll makes us a laughingstock any more than we already are. Some people don't want salary dumping to cause us to accept B-C prospects for an established MLB starting pitcher with a 98 MPH FB. Even if it looks good in retrospect due to Gausman underperforming, that doesn't make it a good deal.

Gausman is not underperforming. He's performing like a #4  - which is what he is.  A 98 MPH FB means nothing at the MLB level if you can't locate.

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7 minutes ago, Whammer said:

Gausman is not underperforming. He's performing like a #4  - which is what he is.  A 98 MPH FB means nothing at the MLB level if you can't locate.

He ain't throwing 98 anymore.

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13 minutes ago, Whammer said:

Gausman is not underperforming. He's performing like a #4  - which is what he is.  A 98 MPH FB means nothing at the MLB level if you can't locate.

Yeah I never got that with Gausman. People kept saying he was always just about to break out to be a #1. 

 After awhile you are what you are and he was a backend starter who threw hard. Glad we got something of value. 

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Just now, Lucky_13 said:

Yeah I never got that with Gausman. People kept saying he was always just about to break out to be a #1. 

 After awhile you are what you are and he was a backend starter who threw hard. Glad we got something of value. 

He had the fastball and the change, it was easy to say "if he can just get a decent breaking ball".

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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Team might not be willing to hand the reigns over to Sisco and Wynns.

Going to need someone to catch next season.

Pfft, what does "the team" know...

They can just add Sucre back to the 40. I'm sure the pitchers would love that. 

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51 minutes ago, Whammer said:

Gausman is not underperforming. He's performing like a #4  - which is what he is.  A 98 MPH FB means nothing at the MLB level if you can't locate.

He has a 5.97 ERA in the NL, and -1.4 WAR. Those are terrible numbers for him (both career lows) even if he was never an Ace. He is definitely underperforming.

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