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1 hour ago, hoosiers said:

Some people don't understand this is a real organization with real $ that makes decisions with real financial implications.

A year after this trade our organization is ranked eighth in minor league talent according to Baseball America.

At last year's deadline, this organization looked at the possible 2019 major league payroll in relation to a 2019 budget and came to the decision that the cost certainty provided by the salary relief was the best way forward.  I think it is pretty obvious that decision makers chose wisely when in came time to trading Kevin Gausman.  As I mentioned, some folks just insist on missing the boat.  

I am OK with the Gausman trade, I am just saying I understand the people who didn't like that money was obviously a consideration. Trade KG straight up for prospects and it's a whole different conversation. Yes, we are #8 now, but that is mostly due to Rutschman and continued development of guys we already had. I haven't clicked through the paywall of the Baseball America article but I would guess that the guys we got from Atlanta account for approximately 0% of that ranking.

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2 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I am OK with the Gausman trade, I am just saying I understand the people who didn't like that money was obviously a consideration. Trade KG straight up for prospects and it's a whole different conversation. Yes, we are #8 now, but that is mostly due to Rutschman and continued development of guys we already had. I haven't clicked through the paywall of the Baseball America article but I would guess that the guys we got from Atlanta account for approximately 0% of that ranking.

Had to get rid of that money. That's a rebuild for a small market. Sorry to belabor

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3 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I am OK with the Gausman trade, I am just saying I understand the people who didn't like that money was obviously a consideration. Trade KG straight up for prospects and it's a whole different conversation. Yes, we are #8 now, but that is mostly due to Rutschman and continued development of guys we already had. I haven't clicked through the paywall of the Baseball America article but I would guess that the guys we got from Atlanta account for approximately 0% of that ranking.

I think they kinda like ZImmermann. I'm sure they do. 

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3 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I am OK with the Gausman trade, I am just saying I understand the people who didn't like that money was obviously a consideration. Trade KG straight up for prospects and it's a whole different conversation. Yes, we are #8 now, but that is mostly due to Rutschman and continued development of guys we already had. I haven't clicked through the paywall of the Baseball America article but I would guess that the guys we got from Atlanta account for approximately 0% of that ranking.

I was fine with dumping O'Day.  It was the international money that wasn't spent on international players that I had a problem with.  I'd have rather have had a couple 17 year old DSL players.

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19 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I was fine with dumping O'Day.  It was the international money that wasn't spent on international players that I had a problem with.  I'd have rather have had a couple 17 year old DSL players.

I know. Well - now the Orioles are allowed to. 

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2 hours ago, hoosiers said:

You can pound the table all you want, but this trade was needed at the time and looks like gold in retrospect.  Thank goodness we do not still have Gausman and O'Day and their salaries on our roster.  What a crazy laughing-stock this team would be with a payroll north of $100M and a bottom 3 record.  

Folks want to get paid in prospects - most of the time I would too, but not in this case.  Reducing payroll was a higher priority than improving our prospect list.  I wouldn't wish poor performance on Gausman or O'Day, but clearly those guys represent wasted $ for Atlanta.  We picked up salary relief.  Took a flyer on a couple prospects.

This trade has paid off in spades.  Maybe folks can point to better prospects offered, maybe not, but one litmus test for that deal was how it would look if it wasn't made - and clearly the Os have been much better off without those payroll obligations.

Pound the table all you want - a good trade was made by our former GM and it is staring you right in the face.  Some folks just insist on missing the boat - it will leave without them.

The team payroll is around $72M this year. Gausman and O'Day are both making $9M this season, so it wouldn't have been north of $100M. It would have been around $92M, which would still have been the fifth lowest payroll in MLB. The only people that gained from the salary relief were the owners. That's it. There's zero indication that the money has been reinvested back into the team. Zero. 

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28 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I am OK with the Gausman trade, I am just saying I understand the people who didn't like that money was obviously a consideration. Trade KG straight up for prospects and it's a whole different conversation. Yes, we are #8 now, but that is mostly due to Rutschman and continued development of guys we already had. I haven't clicked through the paywall of the Baseball America article but I would guess that the guys we got from Atlanta account for approximately 0% of that ranking.

Encarcion and Cumberland are ranked 29 and 30 by MLB. I don't believe Phillips has prospect status. So Zimmerman is the only guy not in the top 30.

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28 minutes ago, weams said:

I think they kinda like ZImmermann. I'm sure they do. 

Interesting is that Zimmermann had 16 starts at AA with a 2.58 ERA but doesn't rank in MLBs top 30. 

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8 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

The only people that gained from the salary relief were the owners. That's it. There's zero indication that the money has been reinvested back into the team. Zero. 

How do you pay for the decreased attendance and income from a rebuild? To me the payroll should be lower. 

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18 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

The team payroll is around $72M this year. Gausman and O'Day are both making $9M this season, so it wouldn't have been north of $100M. It would have been around $92M, which would still have been the fifth lowest payroll in MLB. The only people that gained from the salary relief were the owners. That's it. There's zero indication that the money has been reinvested back into the team. Zero. 

Hired Elias, Sig, Koby Perez. Signed 27 players during international signing period. I'd say decent investment so far.

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15 minutes ago, weams said:

How do you pay for the decreased attendance and income from a rebuild? To me the payroll should be lower. 

The MLB and MASN revenue are the principle ways the payroll is covered. 

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M.L.B. also has media rights deals with Facebook, ESPN and Turner Sports. Its current contracts with ESPN (worth $5.6 billion) and Turner Sports ($2.6 billion) run through 2021.

And their share of MASN has to be worth at least 60-80 million per season.

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37 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Interesting is that Zimmermann had 16 starts at AA with a 2.58 ERA but doesn't rank in MLBs top 30. 

You’d hope they don’t use stats to create their rankings, but I do think it’s an oversight in this case.

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6 hours ago, Luke-OH said:

I disagree with the assessment that Kay was the top guy in the deal, but yeah he’s solid. It’s like Grayson Rodriguez and Keegan Akin for Stroman, that’d be a pretty comparable return IMO. Grayson is a little better than Woods-Richardson, Kay is a little better than Akin.

Great deal for the Blue Jays if so.

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36 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

You’d hope they don’t use stats to create their rankings, but I do think it’s an oversight in this case.

Obviously a pitchers stuff is given grades and his control. But I think succes in the minors is better than the alternative.

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