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46 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

I guess it's always better to judge something before you have the facts, just in case you're wrong.

It goes without saying that one must always make judgements on available facts. We have very few facts relating to the “Why” of this deal, so it’s a given for most people that we are speculating using Occam’s Razor.

on the surface, this looks to me like a bad trade: we moved too soon( what would have happened in the next three weeks?) we got too little( only two interested teams now but if more get involved the price goes up) and other players in similar situations have brought back more.

Yes we don’t have all the facts but those are all defensible positions.

Having said that, I’m willing to trust Mike. He DOES have all the facts.

So charge on.

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2 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

For reference, Billy Rowell put up an 876 OPS in Aberdeen at 17.

Was that before he started listening to only his dad and their outside hitting coach?

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3 hours ago, ScGO's said:

After Cashner trade, next most likely to be traded in this order

1) Givens

2) Villar

3) Mancini

4) Bundy

At that point what reason does anyone have to watch this team for the next several years?  If those players are all gone I don’t even have a reason to read the box scores.  Other than Givens I don’t think we get anything back in value,  and with Cashner teprade return I think with Elias in charge we don’t even get anything for Givens.

Maybe instead of trading away gipiys like these why don’t we trade for them. They all have years left on their contracts.  Trade away some non prospects and if you get a team, full of guys like them you could compete for a wild card.  The new under valued asset.

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2 minutes ago, pdiddy said:

Was that before he started listening to only his dad and their outside hitting coach?

I am sure I have no idea.

I thought this whole time he was listening to Colby Rasmus' dad.

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15 hours ago, bobmc said:

Melewski quotes the BOS Asst GM and he was disappointed that the O's selected these two versus others.

 

Koby knows, Koby knows. 

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8 minutes ago, Philip said:

It goes without saying that one must always make judgements on available facts. We have very few facts relating to the “Why” of this deal, so it’s a given for most people that we are speculating using Occam’s Razor.

on the surface, this looks to me like a bad trade: we moved too soon( what would have happened in the next three weeks?) we got too little( only two interested teams now but if more get involved the price goes up) and other players in similar situations have brought back more.

Yes we don’t have all the facts but those are all defensible positions.

Having said that, I’m willing to trust Mike. He DOES have all the facts.

So charge on.

So many people using Occam's Razor that the blade is dull.

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17 hours ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

"Average arm and smooth swing," is how they classify the higher paid of the two.

Please, someone attach that "oh..." gif...

 I think the biggest take away from this trade, and some others we’ve made recently is that whoever was refusing to deal significantly in the international market was handicapping the ability of the Orioles to get anything worthwhile back in trades. How many of these guys could we have signed ourselves? And to give up  reasonably valuable assets for guys we could’ve signed ourselves for $80,000 or what have you is embarrassing. 

It is encouraging that the front office has changed the approach to the international market.

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1 minute ago, mdbdotcom said:

So many people using Occam's Razor that the blade is dull.

The dullest razor is sharper than the sharpest brick.

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Just now, Philip said:

The dullest razor is sharper than the sharpest brick.

Not necessarily, but neither is particularly useful.

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5 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

Koby knows, Koby knows. 

 

Just now, Philip said:

The dullest razor is sharper than the sharpest brick.

 Oh, that’s a platitude. What the heck is he going to say? “Boy we sure are glad to get rid of those losers.“?

It’s interesting that the emotion expressed in this comment, whether real or simulated, reflects more emotion than Dan ever expressed in any comment I ever read of his.

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2 minutes ago, Philip said:

 I think the biggest take away from this trade, and some others we’ve made recently is that whoever was refusing to deal significantly in the international market was handicapping the ability of the Orioles to get anything worthwhile back in trades. How many of these guys could we have signed ourselves? And to give up  reasonably valuable assets for guys we could’ve signed ourselves for $80,000 or what have you is embarrassing. 

It is encouraging that the front office has changed the approach to the international market.

Peter Angelos is very old.  If you were an owner who was in his mid 80s and a GM says if we sign this guy there is a 1 in 20 chance that he might help the team in 6 to 8 years what would you say.  Hey even I might get to be retired by the time these guys have any remote chance of helping the team,  

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I'll take these kids over the type of 4-A talent they got last year for the most part in those trades. 

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15 hours ago, Cy Bundy said:

What I glean: These are prospects that Koby Perez is high enough on to get Mike Elias have our ownership to throw cash to the Red Sox — win.

 

FTFY

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1 minute ago, vab said:

I'll take these kids over the type of 4-A talent they got last year for the most part in those trades. 

Yet last year everyone was estatic with these trades.  I was very upset with the return we got for Gausman and Britton and everyone was downvoting me.

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1 minute ago, atomic said:

Peter Angelos is very old.  If you were an owner who was in his mid 80s and a GM says if we sign this guy there is a 1 in 20 chance that he might help the team in 6 to 8 years what would you say.  Hey even I might get to be retired by the time these guys have any remote chance of helping the team,  

Angelos is 90.

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