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6 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Way too early to be concerned over any numbers this year's draft picks are putting up of course, but I always look at that K-BB ratio at that lower level to get an idea on how they pick up professional pitching spin. The early, early results on Henderson is certainly not good, but lots of time to get it going.

There is a lot more going on for newly drafted players than baseball. HS draftees are on their own for the first time (I don't know if teams hire "babysitters" to help them adjust, or let them loose), some have been given a respectable amounts of money to play with, dietary (eat what they want and easiest),  the game has now become a profession, etc, etc. The adjustment for anyone is difficult. But for a 17-19 year old, scary!!! Not as much for the college draftee, but still some of the same issues. The game is now a job and their future..tough for anyone 18-22. Let them get through the first 1.5 years to learn and then assess. 

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8 hours ago, webbrick2010 said:

I hope we didn't use 1-1 on a plus defensive catcher that we plan to move to 1B the least valued position on the field.

Just that anyone is thinking this goes to how much I disliked a catcher at 1-1

CJ Abrams will never be moved to 1B, at a minimum he will be a plus defensive SS or CF

 

 

I had the same thoughts and wanted Abrams too. 

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Almost all catchers have ended up playing some games at other positions as their careers progressed...Yogi Berra, Johnny Bench, Pudge Rodriguez, Carlton Fisk, Gary Carter, Mike Piazza, Joe Mauer, Buster Posey, etc...have all played some games at 1b, OF, or  DH as that became an option. 

I suspect AR will too. 

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Just now, tntoriole said:

Almost all catchers have ended up playing some games at other positions as their careers progressed...Yogi Berra, Johnny Bench, Pudge Rodriguez, Carlton Fisk, Gary Carter, Mike Piazza, Joe Mauer, Buster Posey, etc...have all played some games at 1b, OF, or  DH as that became an option. 

I suspect AR will too. 

Doesn't the same go for the other center of the diamond types?  Plenty of SS and CF with long careers get moved as they age.

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11 minutes ago, UpstateNYfan said:

There is a lot more going on for newly drafted players than baseball. HS draftees are on their own for the first time (I don't know if teams hire "babysitters" to help them adjust, or let them loose), some have been given a respectable amounts of money to play with, dietary (eat what they want and easiest),  the game has now become a profession, etc, etc. The adjustment for anyone is difficult. But for a 17-19 year old, scary!!! Not as much for the college draftee, but still some of the same issues. The game is now a job and their future..tough for anyone 18-22. Let them get through the first 1.5 years to learn and then assess. 

I hope you just happened to quote my comment to make your point and are not telling me this, because you have to know I'm very, very familiar with how all of this works, right? 

No one should "assess" anyone after their first 40 some PAs in professional baseball, but few players completely bomb the GCL with an awful K-BB ratio and end up a great major leaguers. Remember, that league is full of the same kinds of players as Gunnar. 

Now it's way too early to have concerns, but if he ends up the season with no power, a poor average and poor K-BB ratio I will have concerns. Concerns doesn't mean you discount a guy, concerns mean just that you have to wonder why a guy would struggle badly against similar age/experience players. 

The raw talent tools wise is in there so he has many years before your start to make assessments, but that doesn't mean you don't have concerns if he struggles over an extended period of time in categories that suggest a reason for concern. He's not the only kid in his current situation. 

Again, I don't really care too much about the average or even the power at this stage, but I do want to see him have competitive bats and not be dominated eventually. It's way too early to take anything out of his current stats but if we end up at the 120 PA stage and the K-BB ratio is ugly (it's a respectable 3-7 in his last six games) I will have concerns.

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1 hour ago, UpstateNYfan said:

There is a lot more going on for newly drafted players than baseball. HS draftees are on their own for the first time (I don't know if teams hire "babysitters" to help them adjust, or let them loose), some have been given a respectable amounts of money to play with, dietary (eat what they want and easiest),  the game has now become a profession, etc, etc. The adjustment for anyone is difficult. But for a 17-19 year old, scary!!! Not as much for the college draftee, but still some of the same issues. The game is now a job and their future..tough for anyone 18-22. Let them get through the first 1.5 years to learn and then assess. 

Chipper Jones had a .592 OPS as an 18-year-old in rookie ball.

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35 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Chipper Jones had a .592 OPS as an 18-year-old in rookie ball.

Look at who discovered anecdotal evidence all of a sudden!  ;)

My turn!

Darell Hernaiz (5th rounder for us this year)  is 17 and currently has a .785 OPS in the GCL with 10 BB to 12 K.

So it's not all bad news.

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4 minutes ago, Aglets said:

Look at who discovered anecdotal evidence all of a sudden!  ;)

My turn!

Darell Hernaiz (5th rounder for us this year)  is 17 and currently hitting .785 in the GCL with 10 BB to 12 K.

So it's not all bad news.

He's hitting .785?  That's really good.  He must get a hit every time he doesn't strike out.

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6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He's hitting .785?  That's really good.  He must get a hit every time he doesn't strike out.

.785 his is OPS. Hernaiz OBP is .417 though. He has 10 walks in 38 at bats and that is impressive. 

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9 minutes ago, Aglets said:

Look at who discovered anecdotal evidence all of a sudden!  ;)

My turn!

Darell Hernaiz (5th rounder for us this year)  is 17 and currently hitting .785 in the GCL with 10 BB to 12 K.

So it's not all bad news.

He's OPSing .785.  He's "hitting" .263.  That's nice but not quite the same as hitting .785.    

You can take another turn.  

Btw, Rut should not be switched from catcher - assuming he has no knee issues.  Being a catcher is a major part of him being the #1 pick.  

 

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3 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

.785 his is OPS. Hernaiz OBP is .417 though. He has 10 walks in 38 at bats and that is impressive. 

Yea, I know.  😉

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Sorry I was a little loose with my verbiage there.  Thought it was pretty obvious that I was referring to OPS.  I'll tweak it.  Just doing my part to try and get people to use more useful metrics than BA.   :)

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34 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Chipper Jones had a .592 OPS as an 18-year-old in rookie ball.

And Bobby Witt Jr. isn't exactly lighting the world on fire and he's a year older than Henderson.  

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1 hour ago, tntoriole said:

Almost all catchers have ended up playing some games at other positions as their careers progressed...Yogi Berra, Johnny Bench, Pudge Rodriguez, Carlton Fisk, Gary Carter, Mike Piazza, Joe Mauer, Buster Posey, etc...have all played some games at 1b, OF, or  DH as that became an option. 

I suspect AR will too. 

 I would imagine that he will play every game  of the season except the second game of a doubleheader, but 10-15 of those games will be at designated hitter. But when you have a catcher who could be a generational player, you don’t move him from the most difficult position on the field to the easiest. He’s a catcher,  And a catcher he shall remain.

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12 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

And Bobby Witt Jr. isn't exactly lighting the world on fire and he's a year older than Henderson.  

Cal Ripken didn't find his power stroke until his third year of minor league baseball. Orioles have enough problems, I'm not going to get worked up about Henderson struggling in rookie ball. 

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