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    • Man this thread has turned into something. I won't bother quoting everyone but wanted to share a few reactions I had while reading. 1. Matt Boyd 2018-2019 is not a worthy comparison of John Means because John Means is a much better pitcher. Any trade discussion should start from the fact that we would be trading a 28 year old cheap, controllably pitcher who is approaching 350 innings now at nearly LESS than 1.00 WHIP, ERA less than 3.60. And yes the Bedard haul is a reasonable comparison. To hell with the peripherals that don't like him. Watch him pitch. FIP says that John Means and Matt Harvey have been the same pitcher this year. He has excellent control/command with a knack for avoiding hard contact. Why is a .230 BABIP concerning when his career BABIP is .244? So any trade should be valuing him at the nearly top of the rotation talent he has been, and the not the back of the rotation the advanced metrics say he is. If not? Sorry. 2. Let's put to rest any discussion Austin Hays is a platoon player. He's our 2nd best position player. There's no concerning career splits and any O's fan should want him in the outfield everyday.  3. Ryan McKenna has played his role well for a rookie and I've become more fond of him as the season went along. Short sample size but his 11 homers and 7 steals in 27 games at Norfolk were eye opening. He's in excellent shape, hustles, is a fantastic defender, has displayed a good batting eye, and it's way too early to give up on his bat.  4. Regarding Trey Mancini and Anthony Santander's trade value, I'm not sure there is much. We are looking at a 0.9 and 0.3 B-Ref WAR players. Decent bats who have seen better days and don't provide much else. Renato Nunez provided 2.6 WAR and a 107 OPS+ in less than 2 normal seasons and was DFA'd in his first arbitration year. I want both Mancini and Santander back but let's not kid ourselves that we would be getting back a high quality package for these players.  5. I think people tend to gloss over how beneficial it is to have real major league pitchers in the majors while our prospects are developing. I'm all for tanking and not spending everything we have for a 70 win team, but without pitchers like John Means, games turn into exhaustive bullpen games, pitchers get overworked, and your prospects get yanked around or rushed. So Yeah I don't think John Means is not leading us to contention in 2022 but he is still a valuable part of the rebuild. He is not wasted value/talent whatsoever.  6. The "terrible in 2022, .500 team in 2023, and contender in 2024" timelines are pretty ridiculous. Nobody knows when it will all come together. But I do believe success breeds success, and things tend to work out or not work out in clusters. And outside additions will come. We do not have to and will not home grow this entire team. 
    • If I could have placed a bet during the few seconds I saw Means try to advance, I would have been willing to place a considerable sum on his getting hurt while sliding (or not sliding) into third. So I wasn't too distressed about him getting thrown out when he walked away unharmed.  When's the last time an Oriole pitcher was on base twice during a game? I find those on-base moments scary.
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    • I'm gonna guess that this hornet's nest will have some who will - "He's a #5 pick"!  "We coulda had "X" at 5!"  "Elias was just being cheap!" .  I'm not upset, however.
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