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11 hours ago, Darkhawk said:

There were four plays you can critique Davis for in the span of two or three innings. 

1. Not running for a ball that might have been catchable in the first row or two of first base foul territory.

2. Basket catching Castro's flip into his shoulder to end the fourth.

3. Weird footwork and lack of hustle on Villar's bad throw.

4. And a showboaty shovel flip to Castro in the fifth.

He did not play hard today. 

 

Other context. Means looked great through 3 innings, then a lazy fly ball lands because our 2B playing CF doesn't take control. The wheels fall off. Means gives up a 3R home run with 2 outs and after about 30 pitches in that same 4th inning and gets taken out. Miguel Castro comes in and looks like the dude with a good arm who can't throw strikes on a little league team. Scott was even worse.

The game was a train wreck after that ball in CF. Davis was playing like he was one of the keystone cops in charge. It wasn't as important that he didn't make the scoop as it was that he looked like the rest of the game was a joke to him.

Then Hyde said something in the dugout. Good for Hyde. At least Means, Castro and Scott were trying and broken up over what was happening. Davis was treating it like a beer league softball game. 

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12 hours ago, wildbillhiccup said:

On a positive note this is the first positive contribution Mark Trumbo has made to the club this year!

Not going to lie, that was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw this video this morning.

As for my overall take, I hope this hastens Davis' departure from the team. Regardless of what Hyde said, there is never a reason to physically go after your manager in the dugout. 

Hyde has been nothing but a professional and to see a player such as Davis lose it like that suggests that his struggles are mounting to the point that he can't control himself. 

It will be interesting see how Elias handles this situation.

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1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

+1. I can forgive the performance and the contract but Davis has had multiple character issues over the years, starting with getting suspended for PED back when he was actually good. That arguably cost us our best shot at a WS in 35 years and should have made Davis persona non grata much earlier. (Actually, the tobacco wad has always been a red flag to me that Davis is a man of weak character). Then the Coolbaugh thing and the apparent unwillingness to change a single thing in his approach to the game, whether working on his swing or learning to bunt on the shift. Now that his mental issues are affecting his body language and hustle on defense, that is a step too far. There was a time that I felt sorry for him but now I just want him gone.

Being judgmental of others is the surest sign of "weak character."

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1 minute ago, Tony-OH said:

Not going to lie, that was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw this video this morning.

As for my overall take, I hope this hastens Davis' departure from the team. Regardless of what Hyde said, there is never a reason to physically go after your manager in the dugout. 

Hyde has been nothing but a professional and to see a player such as Davis lose it like that suggests that his struggles are mounting to the point that he can't control himself. 

It will be interesting see how Elias handles this situation.

What would Elias' role be, short of releasing Davis or firing Hyde?

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2 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Not going to lie, that was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw this video this morning.

As for my overall take, I hope this hastens Davis' departure from the team. Regardless of what Hyde said, there is never a reason to physically go after your manager in the dugout. 

Hyde has been nothing but a professional and to see a player such as Davis lose it like that suggests that his struggles are mounting to the point that he can't control himself. 

It will be interesting see how Elias handles this situation.

Whenever someone, like Hyde, says something to prompt a reaction like we saw last night, it's certain that they fell short -- at least on that occasion -- of being "professional."

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13 hours ago, theocean said:

I know Chris Davis isn't exactly popular - but it's never a good sign when a manager is saying something that causes one of his players to try and fight him. Say what you will about Davis, but he's never struck me as a hot head. This is not normal behavior for him.

The O's are getting their butts handed to them during this series. It's the manager's job to keep everyone's heads up through the storm. Between Hyde throwing the team under the bus, venting to the media, and now this - I really am starting to doubt Hyde.

Are you kidding me? This "throwing the team under the bus" crap is garbage. Hyde is telling the truth. He is telling it like it is and should be refreshing as a fan to hear that, not start questioning him. 

Hyde goes out of his way not to totally throw one player under the bus, but the team as a whole this year. He's absolutely correct when he says the talent is not there. He always says they are trying hard, but he's saying what we all see. 

What, you want Hunter to continue his Bagdad Bob approach and take over for Hyde in the press conferences? 

Seriously, this idea that Hyde should be questioned is utter and complete garbage.

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1 minute ago, Aristotelian said:

What would Elias' role be, short of releasing Davis or firing Hyde?

He could also fine or suspend Davis.

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Just now, Beef Supreme said:

Whenever someone, like Hyde, says something to prompt a reaction like we saw last night, it's certain that they fell short -- at least on that occasion -- of being "professional."

Whatever he said, trying to attack the guy is 1000000% worse on the scale of unprofessionalism.

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12 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Hyde didn't attack Davis...it was the other way around. If you're a grown adult there are no words that justify physically attacking someone let alone your manager. If Davis doesn't have the willpower to physically restrain himself then perhaps he should join an anger management support group. 

Hyde verbally attacked Davis, clearly. Otherwise, Davis would not have reacted.

Also, Davis never touched Hyde, so it can not be described as committing "physical violence," as some have said.

Maybe they both could benefit from an anger management support group. 

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This is exactly what Elias needs to help make the case to cut Davis. If I were the O's, I wouldn't suspend him, I just wouldn't play him for several games. That will bring even more attention to it. Bring him back after the Houston series.

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Just now, Beef Supreme said:

Hyde verbally attacked Davis, clearly. Otherwise, Davis would not have reacted.

Also, Davis never touched Hyde, so it can not be described as committing "physical violence," as some have said.

Maybe they both could benefit from an anger management support group. 

Very true. He moved in his direction but didn't exactly fight through his teammates while trying to get at Hyde. This wasn't George Brett and the pine tar incident.

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6 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Not going to lie, that was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw this video this morning.

As for my overall take, I hope this hastens Davis' departure from the team. Regardless of what Hyde said, there is never a reason to physically go after your manager in the dugout. 

Hyde has been nothing but a professional and to see a player such as Davis lose it like that suggests that his struggles are mounting to the point that he can't control himself. 

It will be interesting see how Elias handles this situation.

Good take, as usual.  Hyde and Elias can see the obvious; Davis has been done for 2+ years.   Will this will finally get the Angelos sons to admit this also?  That's how this saga finally ends.

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Just now, Aristotelian said:

Whatever he said, trying to attack the guy is 1000000% worse on the scale of unprofessionalism.

Quite the sweeping generalization. 

When you light the match, you can expect to start a fire.

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Just now, LookinUp said:

Very true. He moved in his direction but didn't exactly fight through his teammates while trying to get at Hyde. This wasn't George Brett and the pine tar incident.

Yes, and there was very little "holding back" that needed to be done.

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3 hours ago, interloper said:

Some of y'all have some whack takes on Hyde here, that's all I'm gonna say. Davis has been rightly criticized by coaches before and I have no problem with a manager calling out a veteran player for sleep walking on defense on a team full of young players. If Davis can't control himself that's on him. Dugout disagreements happen all the time in baseball, it's nothing out of line by Hyde.

Absolutely, these Hyde bashers are ridiculous and have no understanding of leadership. I really haven't been this pissed off that we have posters here on the Hangout with this kind of garbage take. That is MASN blog comments section BS, not Hangout quality awareness.

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