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Why is Hess still here? Yes he was optioned but he isn’t even a warm body. DFA him. And not just him. Taylor Scott shows nothing. Eshelman has been tried and found wanting. And others. We have other guys we can call up. Must we wait?

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15 minutes ago, Philip said:

 

Why is Hess still here? Yes he was optioned but he isn’t even a warm body. DFA him. And not just him. Taylor Scott shows nothing. Eshelman has been tried and found wanting. And others. We have other guys we can call up. Must we wait?

Who are the other guys the Orioles can call up? There are only four pitchers at Norfolk with an ERA below 4. One is Taylor Scott who's been terrible in his brief time with the O's. The second pitcher is Yefry Ramirez who was DFA'd earlier this year. The third pitcher is Dan Straily who was probably the worst pitcher on the team when he was up here. And the fourth pitcher is Tanner Scott who can't throw the ball over the plate. He has a walk rate of 8.5 BB/9 for the year. 

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10 minutes ago, TINSTAAPP said:

Who are the other guys the Orioles can call up? There are only four pitchers at Norfolk with an ERA below 4. One is Taylor Scott who's been terrible in his brief time with the O's. The second pitcher is Yefry Ramirez who was DFA'd earlier this year. The third pitcher is Dan Straily who was probably the worst pitcher on the team when he was up here. And the fourth pitcher is Tanner Scott who can't throw the ball over the plate. He has a walk rate of 8.5 BB/9 for the year. 

So? Bring up someone from the bullpen, or from Bowie, or the Bowie pen, or something. It looks bad to have a historically bad guy on the 40-man and effectively say you don’t have a single guy who is available.

besides, we’re going to be calling up a bunch of guys soon anyway, and a bunch of guys have to be added to the 40-man for Rule 5 protection anyway, why not do it now?

it would hurt a lot less.

this is really painful.

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2 minutes ago, Philip said:

So? Bring up someone from the bullpen, or from Bowie, or the Bowie pen, or something. It looks bad to have a historically bad guy on the 40-man and effectively say you don’t have a single guy who is available.

besides, we’re going to be calling up a bunch of guys soon anyway, and a bunch of guys have to be added to the 40-man for Rule 5 protection anyway, why not do it now?

it would hurt a lot less.

this is really painful.

Just cut em all.....!!!!!!

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44 minutes ago, TINSTAAPP said:

Who are the other guys the Orioles can call up? There are only four pitchers at Norfolk with an ERA below 4. One is Taylor Scott who's been terrible in his brief time with the O's. The second pitcher is Yefry Ramirez who was DFA'd earlier this year. The third pitcher is Dan Straily who was probably the worst pitcher on the team when he was up here. And the fourth pitcher is Tanner Scott who can't throw the ball over the plate. He has a walk rate of 8.5 BB/9 for the year. 

I thought Straily was traded to Philadelphia.  So we only have three pitchers at Norfolk with an ERA below 4!  

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We at least have a full season's worth of innings to go on with Hess and he doesn't seem to be getting any better. Fine.

Tayler Scott has pitched a grand total of 11.1 innings at the major league level and folks are already calling for a DFA? Seriously? Eshelman's only thrown 30.1? Chill out already. Where exactly do you think we're going this year? I'll tell you where; the highest draft pick possible. We have all the time in the world to try to work with these guys.

Scott struggled in his first 60 innings at AA, then did better in his second 60. He had ups and downs at AAA, but threw 13 scoreless innings at Norfolk when he first got here with 17 strikeouts. Give the kid a chance ffs. It's like people think we have a ton of talent to bring up and throw away. Eshelman has been hot and cold, but he is making adjustments and isn't all bad. We have nothing to bring up here. Relax.

This is "casual fan" level panic here. Give these guys a chance. If they do poorly, it HELPS us in the long run because what is our goal? Highest.Draft.Pick.Possible. Finding unexpected nuggets of which we have potentially found several of that many on here didn't even give a chance to and wanted to release them months ago.

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Have we ever had a pitcher give up more home runs than Hess?  It seems like it's every inning. Not every game but every inning. Please DFA him.  NOW !  Did anyone notice in last nights game he lost track of there being a third out on a play he made and he started to turn to go back on the mound and the players were coming in off the field. He's not there mentally and can't seem to find the corners of the plate. Everything seems to be over the middle.  Has anybody suggested moving over to the end of the pitching mound rubber. Maybe the location will change. This has helped other pitchers in the past.

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2 hours ago, TINSTAAPP said:

Who are the other guys the Orioles can call up? There are only four pitchers at Norfolk with an ERA below 4. One is Taylor Scott who's been terrible in his brief time with the O's. The second pitcher is Yefry Ramirez who was DFA'd earlier this year. The third pitcher is Dan Straily who was probably the worst pitcher on the team when he was up here. And the fourth pitcher is Tanner Scott who can't throw the ball over the plate. He has a walk rate of 8.5 BB/9 for the year. 

With the MLB ball being used at AAA this year, offensive numbers are up, so ERA's are up.  It may be the worst stat to use for pitchers currently at that level.  

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2 hours ago, Sessh said:

We at least have a full season's worth of innings to go on with Hess and he doesn't seem to be getting any better. Fine.

Tayler Scott has pitched a grand total of 11.1 innings at the major league level and folks are already calling for a DFA? Seriously? Eshelman's only thrown 30.1? Chill out already. Where exactly do you think we're going this year? I'll tell you where; the highest draft pick possible. We have all the time in the world to try to work with these guys.

Scott struggled in his first 60 innings at AA, then did better in his second 60. He had ups and downs at AAA, but threw 13 scoreless innings at Norfolk when he first got here with 17 strikeouts. Give the kid a chance ffs. It's like people think we have a ton of talent to bring up and throw away. Eshelman has been hot and cold, but he is making adjustments and isn't all bad. We have nothing to bring up here. Relax.

This is "casual fan" level panic here. Give these guys a chance. If they do poorly, it HELPS us in the long run because what is our goal? Highest.Draft.Pick.Possible. Finding unexpected nuggets of which we have potentially found several of that many on here didn't even give a chance to and wanted to release them months ago.

The number of people who don't get the end goal about acquiring more talent really bothers me.  It's like they've completely ignored how inefficient our drafting and development was over the years (especially for pitching) aside from our disdain of analytics.  The teams that have prolonged successes have talent pipelines that keep infusing talent every year.  

The Astros got there with three seasons of high draft picks.  Their roster is a combination of a few players who were there for the rebuild, prospects who were called up and free agents.  What is missed is that they have furthered their roster with trades by using more prospect capital.  The more you develop, the more you can trade.  They've added three ace starting pitchers over the past two seasons via trade, without giving up their top two prospects.  That is how deep their farm and development system run.  That's what we need, and it's not built overnight.  

I'm frustrated about having a losing club again as well, but we finally have a guy in here who is making the changes we've all wanted for a decade, maybe more, and there are still people not happy. 

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I’d like to see us put Hess in a strictly 1 IP reliever role in AAA for 20+ outings and then evaluate him. 

This is just a lost year for everyone. On one hand you can say not too many seized the opportunity, on the other hand you can say that the scramble to cover innings hurt everyone. 

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8 hours ago, Philip said:

 

Why is Hess still here? Yes he was optioned but he isn’t even a warm body. DFA him. And not just him. Taylor Scott shows nothing. Eshelman has been tried and found wanting. And others. We have other guys we can call up. Must we wait?

I was going to respond with data and valid points, but no, I am done with these threads.  They are rediculous, the posters know they are rediculous.  The provide no context, no stats and simply posted out of frustration of a product you knew was going to be bad.

Don't rent a civic and expect a Lexus.

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2 hours ago, mdbdotcom said:

Why can't Stevie Wilkerson handle all the pitching?

Same reason Alberto can't.

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8 hours ago, Sessh said:

We at least have a full season's worth of innings to go on with Hess and he doesn't seem to be getting any better. Fine.

Tayler Scott has pitched a grand total of 11.1 innings at the major league level and folks are already calling for a DFA? Seriously? Eshelman's only thrown 30.1? Chill out already. Where exactly do you think we're going this year? I'll tell you where; the highest draft pick possible. We have all the time in the world to try to work with these guys.

Scott struggled in his first 60 innings at AA, then did better in his second 60. He had ups and downs at AAA, but threw 13 scoreless innings at Norfolk when he first got here with 17 strikeouts. Give the kid a chance ffs. It's like people think we have a ton of talent to bring up and throw away. Eshelman has been hot and cold, but he is making adjustments and isn't all bad. We have nothing to bring up here. Relax.

This is "casual fan" level panic here. Give these guys a chance. If they do poorly, it HELPS us in the long run because what is our goal? Highest.Draft.Pick.Possible. Finding unexpected nuggets of which we have potentially found several of that many on here didn't even give a chance to and wanted to release them months ago.

The only reason I'd be alright with giving Tayler Scott and Eshelman any more time is because...you're right.  They haven't thrown a lot of innings but c'mon.  Let's not pretend that these guys have good stuff and just need to learn how to harness it.

Hess?  He's had plenty of chances.  I don't feel the need to see him pitch in an Orioles uniform again.

THE ONLY THING that keeps these guys here is that there aren't better alternative options.  But there will be soon.  

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25 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

The only reason I'd be alright with giving Tayler Scott and Eshelman any more time is because...you're right.  They haven't thrown a lot of innings but c'mon.  Let's not pretend that these guys have good stuff and just need to learn how to harness it.

No way to tell that right now. Who's pretending? Not everyone comes up to the majors and crushes it right away. Some guys, hitters and pitchers, need some time to make adjustments and work with coaches before stuff clicks for them. When a guy comes up and throws a minuscule amount of innings and people confidently declare they suck and have terrible stuff, that's extremely hasty and reactionary especially if people are willing to ignore any good things to build on because of some arbitrary personal conclusion that someone is no good because they are struggling initially. If someone comes up and doesn't dominate immediately, they suck and should be DFA'd. That's the general consensus that is proliferating around here lately and it's ridiculous. People are criticized all the time for attempting to draw rock solid conclusions from SSS and yet, that's all anyone seems to do here anymore.

Maybe they are bad and don't get better, but you don't figure that out by giving up on guys after a month or less. Give them plenty of rope and if they hang themselves, so be it. It wouldn't be the first time players have surprised critics.. not even the first time this season. This stuff needs time to play out. We hope there will be better options coming soon, but there's certainly nothing in Norfolk which means there probably won't be anything there that's ready next year either. Maybe 2021.

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