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Camden Yards lease up 2021. John Angelos and his wife have a house there. 

I've heard this rumor last year once Peter Angelos was no longer running things. Let's hope some local ownership will step up and keep the Orioles in Baltimore. With all the negative surrounding this city, losing the Orioles would be huge. 

https://baltimorepostexaminer.com/nashville-orioles-baltimore-needs-a-local-buyer-to-step-up-to-the-plate/2019/08/11?fbclid=IwAR2-WYsFOxg4IOpBmCT9pb9FAXCA3LWWviPyV-vMcaFrsdlM9QRUM4R4YV4

 

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2 minutes ago, TonySoprano said:

IF MLB were to ever leave Camden Yards without a team, I'm done with the game.   Period.

That said, all the rumors we've heard is that MLB would rather be done with the Angelos family.  I have very strong doubts they'd allow them to move the team to Nashville.

Sounds more like some gamesmanship from the Angelos family to either pressure the city to make the lease relationship even more team friendly in 2021... or to spur interest from potential local buyers.

As to Nashville, from a strictly business sense... Baseball America did a cursory analysis of the city for potential expansion awhile back. Certainly didn’t seem like a hot spot. Link below.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/examining-nashville-as-a-possible-city-for-mlb-expansion/

 

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Attendance began serious fall-off when major league baseball brought a team back to Washington. This drained off patrons from the D.C. suburbs who had made the Orioles their “home” team in the years when Washington had no team.

Since the Nationals started playing, in 2005, Orioles’ attendance has steadily slipped. Of 15 American League teams, the Orioles rank 14th in attendance.


This is lazy writing and has been debunked here numerous times.  Check the attendance records and get back to us.  Attendance was slipping several years before 2005.  33.8% drop from 1997 to 2003 seems "serious" to me. 
Pre-Nationals

1997    3,711,132    0
1998    3,684,650    -26,482
1999    3,433,150    -277,982
2000    3,297,031    -414,101
2001    3,094,841    -616,291
2002    2,682,439    -1,028,693
2003    2,454,523    -1,256,609
2004    2,744,018    -967,114

I'm not saying the Nationals had zero effect, but you also have to consider the W/L record and 14 straight years of losing.
 

1997    3,711,132    98    64
1998    3,684,650    79    83
1999    3,433,150    78    84
2000    3,297,031    74    88
2001    3,094,841    63    98
2002    2,682,439    67    95
2003    2,454,523    71    91
2004    2,744,018    78    84
2005    2,624,740    74    88
2006    2,153,139    70    92
2007    2,164,822    69    93
2008    1,950,075    68    93
2009    1,907,163    64    98
2010    1,733,019    66    96
2011    1,755,461    69    93
2012    2,102,240    93    69
2013    2,357,561    85    77
2014    2,464,473    96    66
2015    2,281,202    81    81
2016    2,172,344    89    73
2017    2,028,424    75    87
2018    1,564,192    47    115
2019    1,045,273    38    78

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This would be beyond horrible.   But it seems extraordinarily unlikely, if for no reason other than that baseball has had only 1 relocation in the last 47 years and that was the move of the Expos to Washington in 2005.  Which was a very special situation.   If the sons or wife want to sell, there will be a local buyer I hope. 

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6 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

This would be beyond horrible.   But it seems extraordinarily unlikely, if for no reason other than that baseball has had only 1 relocation in the last 47 years and that was the move of the Expos to Washington in 2005.  Which was a very special situation.   If the sons or wife want to sell, there will be a local buyer I hope. 

I have a hard time seeing Baltimore being without a baseball team for long if the Orioles end up moving. Stuart Sternberg would move the Rays to Baltimore in a heartbeat if Camden Yards became available. Imagine having the Rays front office here in Baltimore with a much bigger payroll to work with at their disposal. 

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1 minute ago, TINSTAAPP said:

I have a hard time seeing Baltimore being without a baseball team for long if the Orioles end up moving. Stuart Sternberg would move the Rays to Baltimore in a heartbeat if Camden Yards became available. Imagine having the Rays front office here in Baltimore with a much bigger payroll to work with at their disposal. 

Still....one would think that there would likely be a lot of litigation given how much Maryland has invested in Camden Yards if they just up and left. 

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22 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

Still....one would think that there would likely be a lot of litigation given how much Maryland has invested in Camden Yards if they just up and left. 

The city of Nashville will also have to publically finance a new stadium and I have a hard time seeing that happening. And if Nashville does use public funds to build a new stadium, why not go after the Rays or A's instead of the Orioles? Those two teams have far superior front offices and have had a lot more success over the past 10-15 years than the Orioles have. I'm sure Sternberg would be more than happy to move the Rays to Nashville if they gave him a new stadium. 

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42 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

This would be beyond horrible.   But it seems extraordinarily unlikely, if for no reason other than that baseball has had only 1 relocation in the last 47 years and that was the move of the Expos to Washington in 2005.  Which was a very special situation.   If the sons or wife want to sell, there will be a local buyer I hope. 

I agree with this! It almost literally takes an act of the Almighty to get MLB to approve a team moving to another city.

All we need is a good sustained pipeline of talent and O's fans will be back in droves. Just need some exciting players with a little knack for clutch plays.

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i think it would end up being the Las Vegas Orioles (or some other name) and MLB will just try to forget that Mr. Angelos ever existed.

Actually I have worried this for a while.

Attendance isn’t exactly soaring, and the city’s “safety” has become a national punchline.

The Chris Davis albatross isn’t helping, either...

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MLB would probably like a scenario in which the O's move for 2022 and get replaced in 2027 by the Rays (their lease ends in 2026), because it would end the MASN problem. 

I'd prefer them to sell to new owners who have no desire to move the team, regardless of where those owners live. But if the team is moved, Baltimore should negotiate for rights to retain the name Orioles so we don't have another Colts debacle.

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This is probably going to turn into a crime thread but it’s true. All we do is talk about numbers and statistics here, well the numbers don’t lie here either. 

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7 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

What? This is an article about the Orioles potentially moving. How is this misinformation? The giant question marks provide the questioning portion to start the discussion. Feel free to ignore if this is too much for you.

Anyone who has spent more than 5 seconds researching the situation in Nashville knows that it's not happening. Posting an article that says it could happen because ONE of the Angelos' sons have a house in Nashville is, yes, irresponsible.

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