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Brocail sounds a little frustrated.    I think he’s the most vulnerable of our coaches to being replaced.  It’s a lousy staff, but 5.91 ERA?

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1 hour ago, LA2 said:

Wow, there's more in that one interview with Brocail than the whole last decade of O's pitching coaches combined. Not just about pitching in, but long-term goals, off-season routines, Means' future in the rebuild, and more. Very impressed. No doubt he is frustrated and is determined to get through to the young pitchers' minds.

I think he's great. He'll give you some quotes! Not entirely sure if he's a great coach, but they seem to like him.

With these quotes, he's pretty much saying "well I'm coaching but they ain't listening". Which is probably true in some respects, but they probably all just aren't talented enough to pitch inside. That's not an easy thing to do. I recall the same spiel from Mazzone about pitching low and away. He was also frustrated. But more of a jerk than Brocail. 

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Is there anything new here?? First pitch strike, use all 17 inches of the plate not only the outside 8.5. Pound them in and in. Hasn't Palmer preached it for decades. You can't be afraid of hitting batters. It seems sometimes pitchers are trying to go inside and leave it in the middle. It's really Pitching 101 for the professional. Ask Don Drysdale!!

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2 hours ago, LA2 said:

Wow, there's more in that one interview with Brocail than the whole last decade of O's pitching coaches combined. Not just about pitching in, but long-term goals, off-season routines, Means' future in the rebuild, and more. Very impressed. No doubt he is frustrated and is determined to get through to the young pitchers' minds.

Wow is right!  That sounded to me like an indictment of not only some on the pitching staff, but also the catchers.  

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6 minutes ago, esmd said:

Wow is right!  That sounded to me like an indictment of not only some on the pitching staff, but also the catchers.  

He didn't discuss why he hasn't been able to fix any of it in more than 2/3 of a season. Sounds like a guy making excuses for coaching a pitching staff that produces exceptionally bad results..

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 I don’t under stand pitching sequencing very well? Why is it important to start with a fastball? Especially when they are almost always expecting fastball? And especially when the fastball isn’t your best pitch? 

What is the fundamental problem with using an off-speed pitch as your first pitch?

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How many pitching coaches have we been through? Brocail sounds like a decent coach and pretty good guy.  The light bulb goes on at different times for each player.  It's not the coaching. It's the players.  How many pitchers on this staff have actually had success in AAA?   

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22 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Brocail sounds a little frustrated.    I think he’s the most vulnerable of our coaches to being replaced.  It’s a lousy staff, but 5.91 ERA?

And very few improvements from the guys from last year. Hess,Castro ,Bleier.. Straily imploded when he was here. i can see some regression but most have gotten worse. 

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Just now, Philip said:

 I don’t under stand pitching sequencing very well? Why is it important to start with a fastball? Especially when they are almost always expecting fastball? And especially when the fastball isn’t your best pitch? 

What is the fundamental problem with using an off-speed pitch as your first pitch?

Nothing.  Pitching is about making it difficult for the hitter to hit.  Sounds pretty simple.  Being unpredictable, changing speeds, locating well are all good things.

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1 minute ago, Going Underground said:

And very few improvements from the guys from last year. Hess,Castro ,Bleier.. Straily imploded when he was here. i can see some regression but most have gotten worse. 

Please. Brocail barely said hello to Straily before he imploded.  He's not going to offer up much advice to a guy like Straily until he implodes. Most of these guys stunk before Brocail ever met them.  This "let's blame the pitching coach" got old a long time ago.  Only PC I remember ever questioning was Adair.

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8 minutes ago, Going Underground said:

And very few improvements from the guys from last year. Hess,Castro ,Bleier.. Straily imploded when he was here. i can see some regression but most have gotten worse. 

Cashner pitched well under Brocail, then went to Boston and sucked eggs. Maybe the other pitchers aren't as coachable or haven't bought in to what he's selling.

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