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3 minutes ago, NCRaven said:

And, just because there’s no concensus now doesn’t mean that there won’t be in June of next year.

Was there a concensus last season?

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9 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Was there a concensus last season?

Not initially. There began to be. AR is ahead of next year's prospects in that regard.

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7 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

Not initially. There began to be. AR is ahead of next year's prospects in that regard.

seamed like, even after he was drafted, there was talk in OH about being the wrong move.

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7 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

seamed like, even after he was drafted, there was talk in OH about being the wrong move.

There's rarely unanimity with this stuff. AR plays catcher and is older than the high school guys. That's a particularly tough position on the body, so people were looking at the long term viability of his career versus a HS SS who could arrive at a younger age and theoretically play longer.

So that debate happened even in a year when the #1 pick was really considered a clear #1 guy.

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14 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

There's rarely unanimity with this stuff. AR plays catcher and is older than the high school guys. That's a particularly tough position on the body, so people were looking at the long term viability of his career versus a HS SS who could arrive at a younger age and theoretically play longer.

So that debate happened even in a year when the #1 pick was really considered a clear #1 guy.

It doesnt help, where both positions are clearly a need on this team.

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2 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:

 

It's fun to be a contrarian and point out the times when the #3 pick did as well as or better than the #1.  But odds are the #1 is going be the better player.  You always want to pick higher.  It's like asking if you'd rather have 1000 free lottery tickets or 200.  Sometimes the winner will be in the 200, but you'd never willingly pick that ahead of time.

Are the odds so great as to be worth tanking the month?

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42 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

seamed like, even after he was drafted, there was talk in OH about being the wrong move.

Haven't you been paying attention the last 20 years?  There were people who wanted to be sellers in mid-2014.  There were people who thought 2012 was bad for the long-term competitiveness of the franchise and shouldn't have happened.  There were people wanted to replace peak Miguel Tejada with a guy OPSing .612 in AA.  It's the internet, even on Orioles Hangout 15% of the people are psychologically unable to handle agreeing with a blatantly obvious decision.

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Just now, DrungoHazewood said:

Haven't you been paying attention the last 20 years?  There were people who wanted to be sellers in mid-2014.  There were people who thought 2012 was bad for the long-term competitiveness of the franchise and shouldn't have happened.  There were people wanted to replace peak Miguel Tejada with a guy OPSing .612 in AA.  It's the internet, even on Orioles Hangout 15% of the people are psychologically unable to handle agreeing with a blatantly obvious decision.

Good point.

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1 minute ago, El Gordo said:

Are the odds so great as to be worth tanking the month?

Yes.  There are essentially zero long-term downsides to going 8-15 or 6-17 instead of 10-13 the rest of the way.  Ryan Mountcastle will have gotten over not being called up by February 19th of next year.

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1 hour ago, LookinUp said:

You want the #1 pick, you just don't know it.

If there's no consensus, that gives the #1 team even more leverage to negotiate an under-slot deal with multiple players, which leaves even more slot money available later in the draft. It's a big advantage to draft higher no matter the players you're picking from.

This is why I posted the difference in slot money between 1-1 and 1-3. In 2019 it was $1.2M. That is significant. It will likely be a larger difference in 2020.

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6 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Yes.  There are essentially zero long-term downsides to going 8-15 or 6-17 instead of 10-13 the rest of the way.  Ryan Mountcastle will have gotten over not being called up by February 19th of next year.

If not calling up Mountcastle is all it takes then fine. But deliberately trying to lose will have it's costs.

 

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2 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

If not calling up Mountcastle is all it takes then fine. But deliberately trying to lose will have it's costs.

 

Once the game starts I don't think anyone is trying to lose.  If ever I thought Hyde was giving up in his pre-game choices it was yesterday with Ynoa.  He was on my list of the six people on the 40-man who could be DFA'd without a second thought (as opposed to the group we'd have to think about in relationship to who we were adding.)  Instead of blowing up in the 4th or 5th like normal, he pitched well, so Hyde must be wondering if he needs to start one of the Scotts if he wants to lose.😀

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7 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

If not calling up Mountcastle is all it takes then fine. But deliberately trying to lose will have it's costs.

 

They're all trying to win every game. They just might not have every resource in the organization at their disposal to do that.

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3 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:

It doesnt help, where both positions are clearly a need on this team.

Current need is completely immaterial to me. There's not a blocked position in this franchise that warrants passing over the top talent in pretty much any draft. That person should be better than what you have in 99% of situations, and even then they're year's away, which further diminishes any consideration of current need.

2 hours ago, El Gordo said:

If not calling up Mountcastle is all it takes then fine. But deliberately trying to lose will have it's costs.

It would have to be pretty egregious to have just about any cost at all at a time when this organization is ready to compete. I really doubt 99% of fans are paying enough attention this September to know if we're playing Davis too much, or starting even worse pitchers than normal. If Mountcastle, for example, holds this against Elias 4-5 years from now and won't resign, it's likely a symptom of something worse going on. 

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