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Is there any upside with Ripken & Palmeiro?

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Ryan made it to AA this year, but is pretty old for his level (25) and has no real power for a 1B (6 HR, .720 OPS). I'm thinking he's squarely in the career minor leaguer camp, but I haven't actually seen many scout takes on him. The fact that he's still kicking around, made it to AA, and didn't struggle much there is honestly pretty impressive.

Palmeiro also made it AA this year at age 24 but struggled to a .634 OPS with 5 HR as a 1B/LF. 

Are these guys just non-prospects at the end of the day or is there some kind of hidden late-blooming upside to be found? I know next to nothing about them as actual players, but they've each had some good moments this season and it's been fun reading about them. 

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34 minutes ago, interloper said:

Ryan made it to AA this year, but is pretty old for his level (25) and has no real power for a 1B (6 HR, .720 OPS). I'm thinking he's squarely in the career minor leaguer camp, but I haven't actually seen many scout takes on him. The fact that he's still kicking around, made it to AA, and didn't struggle much there is honestly pretty impressive.

Palmeiro also made it AA this year at age 24 but struggled to a .634 OPS with 5 HR as a 1B/LF. 

Are these guys just non-prospects at the end of the day or is there some kind of hidden late-blooming upside to be found? I know next to nothing about them as actual players, but they've each had some good moments this season and it's been fun reading about them. 

Ripken is worse than the stats would tell you. Palmeiro is a tweener, not enough defense for middle infield, not enough power for any corner spot. Palmeriro tried 2B last year and looked ok, the fact they haven't played him there any this year is basically a sign that the team doesn't even see him as a fringe prospect. Both are org guys, if either ever see the majors it's just a September cup of coffee out of respect for their grind through the system. 

Edit: With September roster sizes being limited to 28 in upcoming years, I doubt either ever sees the majors.

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I didn't expect Ripken to break camp with a team this year after his 2018 season with Delmarva. With his family lineage, playing as much minor league baseball as possible is probably the best move for his long term career prospects unlike 99 percent of players that are 2+ years too old for their level.

Preston Palmeiro clearly doesn't have the bat to play corner infield and seemingly doesn't have the glove to play middle infield. If he did have the glove, the Orioles wouldn't let Jesmuel Valentin stand in his way.

 

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Their dads sometimes attend their games is the upside.

On a serious note, Ryan is playing imo due to the name on the back of his jersey and will continue to do so until he is too old or doesn't want to ride the bus anymore. 

Agree with the Palmeiro take Luke has.

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3 hours ago, Luke-OH said:

Ripken is worse than the stats would tell you. Palmeiro is a tweener, not enough defense for middle infield, not enough power for any corner spot. Palmeriro tried 2B last year and looked ok, the fact they haven't played him there any this year is basically a sign that the team doesn't even see him as a fringe prospect. Both are org guys, if either ever see the majors it's just a September cup of coffee out of respect for their grind through the system. 

Edit: With September roster sizes being limited to 28 in upcoming years, I doubt either ever sees the majors.

Cool thanks, that's what I figured but interesting to hear a proper take on these guys.

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An unlikely thing happening doesn’t make other unlikely things more likely. 

Yaz is a good story, but if guys like him turn into regulars with any frequency, you could build a lineup from MiLB free agents. That’s obviously not the case.

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34 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

So it goes from wildly implausible to extra wildly implausible.

I'm guessing the list of Yaz comps is pretty small and not recent.

I guess Ryan Schimpf kind of fits.   Debuted with a 2.0 WAR season (.869 OPS) in 89 games at age 28 in 2016. 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/schimry01.shtml

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17 hours ago, Luke-OH said:

An unlikely thing happening doesn’t make other unlikely things more likely. 

Yaz is a good story, but if guys like him turn into regulars with any frequency, you could build a lineup from MiLB free agents. That’s obviously not the case.

We’ve obviously beaten the whole Yaz thing to death, but I’m curious if Luke or others have looked closely into why they think he’s had success in SF, and if perhaps there’s something we missed in his development. Did they change his swing or stance or otherwise unlock something that perhaps our folks didn’t see?

Certainly don’t want to draw too much of a comparison, because it’s obviously a totally different situation, but I’m thinking a Jake Arrietta type deal where the Giants were able to make some tweaks to a flawed player’s game and make him viable. (Understand fully that Jake has all the tools there, was just able to harness them, and Yaz is a different deal.)

Mostly water under the bridge, and this is just one that didn’t go our way clearly, just curious if there was something identifiable (aside from starting to get to hit this ridiculous major league ball) that flipped the switch for him. 

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4 hours ago, ReclaimTheCrown said:

We’ve obviously beaten the whole Yaz thing to death, but I’m curious if Luke or others have looked closely into why they think he’s had success in SF, and if perhaps there’s something we missed in his development. Did they change his swing or stance or otherwise unlock something that perhaps our folks didn’t see?

Certainly don’t want to draw too much of a comparison, because it’s obviously a totally different situation, but I’m thinking a Jake Arrietta type deal where the Giants were able to make some tweaks to a flawed player’s game and make him viable. (Understand fully that Jake has all the tools there, was just able to harness them, and Yaz is a different deal.)

Mostly water under the bridge, and this is just one that didn’t go our way clearly, just curious if there was something identifiable (aside from starting to get to hit this ridiculous major league ball) that flipped the switch for him. 

He changed his swing in 2017, and was putting the ball in the air more often and his issue was lack of pop for his defensive profile. He may have gotten stronger, but his MLB line is built on power production, and I never saw more than fringe average raw pop. The new ball helps someone with fringy raw power more than most. The problem is that at his age, performance in the minors isn’t very predictive, so even though he was good last year, there are a ton of guys producing in AAA as older guys. 

Basically it was a convergence of a guy changing his swing and approach to put the ball in the air to the pull side more often, maybe getting a little stronger, and the new MLB ball happened to accentuate those tendencies. So now 20% of his FBs go over the fence. Which is an insane number for his raw power.

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