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John Means Has Developed a New Pitch

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20 minutes ago, Greg Pappas said:

Means had already impressed me leading up to this, but I love that he is trying new things and working hard to elevate his game even further.

Great stuff!  Nice to see that we are with the "big boys" on something.  (quote from article above by Joe Trezza)

"That the Dodgers scored two of their three runs on hung changeups in the sixth -- one of them on A.J. Pollock’s go-ahead homer -- only accentuated what little answer they had for Means’ array of sliders and slurves, which perhaps serves as a sign of the Orioles’ new organizational pitching development philosophies popping up in the Majors.

Means said his slurve “is what the new-age thinking kind of looks for.”

To his point, the use of hybrid breaking balls is skyrocketing across MLB this season, notably on such analytically driven teams as the Astros and Rays. On Wednesday, half of Means’ six strikeouts came on the pitch. He retired 14 of 15 at one point and held Los Angeles' three through eight hitters to 1-for-18.

“It was a great performance against a good club,” Hyde said. “John Means, for me, is a competitor. I think he’s improving.”

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Means is a lot like Mancini in that his work ethic and baseball intelligence allows him to maximize his talent. He's a great success story for this franchise this year!

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1 minute ago, Tony-OH said:

Means is a lot like Mancini in that his work ethic and baseball intelligence allows him to maximize his talent. He's a great success story for this franchise this year!

Exactly. These are the sort of players that a franchise needs to help establish a baseline of professionalism. I still feel that Mancini, despite his being a good pro, should be dealt if the return is right... but that's a story for other threads.

Now with all of that said, Means will soon lose it, attacking Hyde or Brocail during the next mound visit, and make us look bad. LOL!

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He threw a nasty curve last night that was called a ball...but was very clearly a strike.

Glad to see that he is working on things.  IMO, he's easily the top highlight of the year.

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Means has been one of the few bright spots in the rotation this year.  It looks like we have a solid starter who can gives us 6+ solid innings just about every time out.  

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7 minutes ago, BRobinsonfan said:

Means has been one of the few bright spots in the rotation this year.  It looks like we have a solid starter who can gives us 6+ solid innings just about every time out.  

Agreed. It feels good to have a strong starter on our staff... it's been awhile.  We all hope he carries this year's performance forward into next season and seasons beyond.  It's vital that we start putting together a quality staff in order to be competitive again.  Means may, just may, be the first piece.

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You gotta love Means.  Along with Alberto and Villar he has made the season somewhat bearable.  His pro numbers look pretty much just like his minor league numbers in 2017 and 2018. Wonder why he wasn't rated higher. 

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Also

John Means WAR 2019: 4.1

Andrew Cashner WAR 2019 Orioles: 2.7

Orioles total Pitching WAR 2019 4.4

Take away Means from the current staff and they are below replacement level.  

 

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1 hour ago, atomic said:

You gotta love Means.  Along with Alberto and Villar he has made the season somewhat bearable.  His pro numbers look pretty much just like his minor league numbers in 2017 and 2018. Wonder why he wasn't rated higher. 

Because the change up and slurve were not part of his repertoire, at least at this level, last year.

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1 hour ago, atomic said:

You gotta love Means.  Along with Alberto and Villar he has made the season somewhat bearable.  His pro numbers look pretty much just like his minor league numbers in 2017 and 2018. Wonder why he wasn't rated higher. 

I would add Santander to the "bright spot" list and while Severino has his weaknesses behind the plate, it's nice to have a catcher providing some offense for a change.  Mancini has continued to preform well at the plate  and 29 homers out of Nunez is also gratifying. If we could clone Means twice this would be a much different team next year.    

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1 hour ago, atomic said:

You gotta love Means.  Along with Alberto and Villar he has made the season somewhat bearable.  His pro numbers look pretty much just like his minor league numbers in 2017 and 2018. Wonder why he wasn't rated higher. 

Mainly because that change up just started to emerge in 2018 at the end of the minor league season and then improved a ton this off season. We had him at the back end of our top-30 and it wasn't higher because we weren't sure the fastball would play and that the breaking ball was improved but not consistent. 

The fact is that Means wasn't a scouting miss as much as a guy who who developed some things that made everything play up while also improving things like velocity and sharpness to his break balls.

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