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Hey Drek. Stop starting all those other weird threads.

There. Someone had to do it.

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Did you know that Farley's and Sathers merged, and this new candy juggernaut bought Brach's? The things one finds out when making an Easter basket.

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Did you know that Farley's and Sathers merged, and this new candy juggernaut bought Brach's? The things one finds out when making an Easter basket.

As long as they still make those malted milk eggs that you can paint your lips with, it's all good.

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I once told a high school classmate that asian women have sideways vaginas and he believed me.

You mean they don't.....:scratchchinhmm:

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