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25 minutes ago, TonySoprano said:

Unburden Baltimore?  Over 1/2 of the payroll for 2020* is Davis and Cobb.  Take them off and what's left is a payroll that makes TB say, "damn, that's really low."

*BBRef has the 2020 number currently at $70.3M.  Even if that number is in dispute, the point is the 2020 Orioles aren't overly burdened by payroll.  https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BAL/baltimore-orioles-salaries-and-contracts.shtml

 

I was confused for a minute by what looked like you quoting me, as I never commented. I just linked to the article, which the "unburden..." line was from. I see what you were doing now.  Regardless, I agree with your points. :)

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On 11/6/2019 at 9:01 AM, ScGO's said:

Heading into the offseason, the O's have a few player assets with 3 or more years of MLB service time that Elias is keeping on the roster and evaluating because he sees value or potential value as a trade asset.  We haven't really seen how Elias operates in the trade market yet, and I'm hoping he is able to make a few strong trades this offseason.  The Cashner trade was like a sneak preview, but I hope he is able to make a plethora of trades this year that could bring back some solid position player prospects.  Below is a list of potential trade assets in 2020.  Their values are all different

Strong Trade Chips

Trey Mancini (27) - 3.015 Service Years -.899 OPS this year has probably having Elias gamble on Trey's peak value.

Jonathan Villar (28) - 5.113 Service Years - Arbitration number hurts stock a bit, but this is probably Villar's peak value.

Hanser Alberto (27) - 3.085 Service Years - Versatile, would make a good NL player, and cheap.  I love Hanser, but this could be his peak value as well.

 

Trade Value, But Could Improve Stock With Strong Start to 2020

Dylan Bundy (27) - 4.026 Service Years - Less than $6 Million for a 2 WAR pitcher. A good start to 2020 would increase is value enough to bring back a real prospect.

Mychal Givens (29) - 4.069 Service Years -  If he can stop giving up homeruns in 2020, his stock could soar, especially with the K rates.

Miguel Castro (25) - 3.079 Service Years - No rush to trade him. K rates on the rise.  Still only as old as Hunter Harvey. Could break out a bit this season.

 

No Value As Of Now, But Could Rebuild Stock in 2020

Alex Cobb (32) - 2 Years and $29 Million Left. If he can return to form, this contract isn't that scary.

Richard Bleier (32) - 3.074 Service Years - Still three years of control, a lefty, and this will be year two after returning from his surgery.  Could rebuild stock enough to get a C level prospect.

Chris Davis (33) - Only Three Years and 60+ Million left on contract.  Never know. He he could hit .210 with 25 HRs and a .700 OPS, essentially get back to a 0 WAR player, we might be able to trade him for a bad contract. Trade three years of Davis for four years of Miguel Cabrera.  The chase for 500 HRs and 3000 hits might fill some seats?

 

 

 

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  • The Yankees “tried hard” to land Orioles reliever Mychal Givens at the trade deadline, the New York Post’s Joel Sherman reports.  The right-hander was a popular figure on the rumor mill last July, with such clubs as the Indians, Dodgers, Braves, Phillies, and Nationals all reportedly showing interest in acquiring his services.  It isn’t any surprise that the Yankees were also involved given how New York is constantly looking to reinforce its already strong bullpen, and it isn’t out of the question that the Yankees could ask about Givens again this winter.  The 29-year-old is under team control for two more seasons (and projected to make $3.2MM in arbitration this winter), though Givens is coming off the worst of his five big league seasons.  Givens posted a 12.3 K/9 and 3.31 K/BB rate over 63 innings but his ERA ballooned to 4.57, due in large part to a lot of problems keeping the ball in the park (1.9 HR/9).

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Jonathan Villar: Orioles GM Mike Elias has indicated finances will be a big deal when it comes to their arbitration eligibles, and Villar is looking at $10 million-ish for his 2020 walk year. Villar is versatile, including playing shortstop at about league average defense, so he could share that position with Gleyber Torres while both also move around elsewhere. Villar is durable (162 games last year). He is a switch-hitter who has added power (particularly from the left side). And he can run (31 steals).

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On 11/6/2019 at 1:08 PM, DrungoHazewood said:

Yes, but I don't even know if it's allowed.  I'm not entirely sure a MLB team can sell a contract to another league, and even if they can probably not without the player's consent.

The contract is with MLB.  Not a completely separate, independent league.  Lawyers and agents would have to get pretty creative to pull this off.  But I think it's worth it for the complete absurdity of it all.  How can you not love a place where you take a guy who didn't bat for four years and suddenly hits like Barry Bonds?  It would be a perversely perfect bookend for Chris Davis' weird career.

If I were Davis I would jump at this.  He would preserve what's left of his major league legacy, still get paid the same money, and he could enjoy going to the ball park again.  And what if he led the Sante Fe Fuego to the Pecos league championship?  

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On 11/10/2019 at 11:55 AM, weams said:

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I thînk they'd could very possibly trade Villar. I could also see a reasonable extension that's not 10 million per. I still see very little chance that he's nontendered.

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Trading with NYY makes a lot of sense. Villar is a Didi replacement. Givens is a Betances replacement. Villar and Givens would offer cheaper options in terms of dollars, which could be valuable if they sign Cole. 

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59 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Trading with NYY makes a lot of sense. Villar is a Didi replacement. Givens is a Betances replacement. Villar and Givens would offer cheaper options in terms of dollars, which could be valuable if they sign Cole. 

Yankees will do better than Villar at SS.  Maybe Lindor.   The real question is will anyone offer Elias real value for Villar and Givens this off season or will he have to wait until July in hopes that they have good years and someone  offers value.   In Villar case, as his contract is paid down during the season is trade value may go up if someone need him.

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12 hours ago, wildcard said:

Yankees will do better than Villar at SS.  Maybe Lindor.   The real question is will anyone offer Elias real value for Villar and Givens this off season or will he have to wait until July in hopes that they have good years and someone  offers value.   In Villar case, as his contract is paid down during the season is trade value may go up if someone need him.

We’re not going to get the moon and the stars but I see NYY, OAK, CINN, CLEV as possible landing spots. Villar would look real nice atop the A’s lineup. 

It’s probably best to hold onto Givens till the deadline. 

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Pedro Severino might be an underrated trade chip.  Catching depth in the MLB is always at a premium.  13 homers last year, .812 OPS vs LHP.  He was thought to be just a catch and throw guy.  He's only 26 with lots of club control left.  Could we sell high, or did he turn a corner?

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12 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Pedro Severino might be an underrated trade chip.  Catching depth in the MLB is always at a premium.  13 homers last year, .812 OPS vs LHP.  He was thought to be just a catch and throw guy.  He's only 26 with lots of club control left.  Could we sell high, or did he turn a corner?

If Severino gets traded, I don't see it happening during the off season, with the free agents out there.

If a team loses its starter during the Spring, then he could be a trade option.

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Villar is an alternative to Didi Gregorious.  Severino is an alternative to Robinson Chirnos.  SS and C are premium positions.  The market might be better than what we think.  

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58 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Villar is an alternative to Didi Gregorious.  Severino is an alternative to Robinson Chirnos.  SS and C are premium positions.  The market might be better than what we think.  

Chirinos is a free agent. A team could get him on a MiLB deal with a Spring Training invite, instead of dedicating a 40 man spot to Severino.

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43 minutes ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

Chirinos is a free agent. A team could get him on a MiLB deal with a Spring Training invite, instead of dedicating a 40 man spot to Severino.

You might need to check into that more.  Chirnos is coming off a 3.8 WAR season.  MLBTR has Chirnos projected for 2/10, and he's going to be 36.  I think that projection for him might be a little light.  That's backup money now.  Some team will pay him starter money.  I would not be surprised to see him get something like 2/16 or 2/18.  

Point being, Severino could be a cheaper (money wise) alternative than Chirnos.  Possibly even a direct replacement for Chirnos in Hou.  The Reds, Rangers, Astros, and Mets, are all listed as possible destinations for Chirnos.  

All I'm saying is we might get a better than expected offer for Severino, and he hasn't really been mentioned much around here as a trade chip.  

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22 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

You might need to check into that more.  Chirnos is coming off a 3.8 WAR season.  MLBTR has Chirnos projected for 2/10, and he's going to be 36.  I think that projection for him might be a little light.  That's backup money now.  Some team will pay him starter money.  I would not be surprised to see him get something like 2/16 or 2/18.  

Point being, Severino could be a cheaper (money wise) alternative than Chirnos.  Possibly even a direct replacement for Chirnos in Hou.  The Reds, Rangers, Astros, and Mets, are all listed as possible destinations for Chirnos.  

All I'm saying is we might get a better than expected offer for Severino, and he hasn't really been mentioned much around here as a trade chip.  

3 of those teams aren't like the other. Severino, at best, might get a "Player To Be Named Later", with some International money, like De Leon did today for the Rays.

All I'm saying is, even if he does get traded, there is no prospect coming back. At best, some teams A League excess.

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On 11/21/2019 at 2:08 PM, sportsfan8703 said:

Pedro Severino might be an underrated trade chip.  Catching depth in the MLB is always at a premium.  13 homers last year, .812 OPS vs LHP.  He was thought to be just a catch and throw guy.  He's only 26 with lots of club control left.  Could we sell high, or did he turn a corner?

Severino has 5 years of control left.  He's cheap and did all the solid things you listed above.  Could be an ideal back up for Rutch one day.  It will be interesting to see what type of season he has this year.

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On 11/23/2019 at 10:23 AM, ScGO's said:

Severino has 5 years of control left.  He's cheap and did all the solid things you listed above.  Could be an ideal back up for Rutch one day.  It will be interesting to see what type of season he has this year.

The Catching market is moving.  D'Arnaud and Grandal with slightly bigger deals than expected.  Zunino was tendered.  Chirnos, Maldanado, and Castro are basically what's left on the C market.  Severino could have sneaky trade value because he's so cheap.  

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