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He won’t be elected, of course, but I’d say it’s an honor to even be on the ballot.     There are only 18 new entrants on the ballot, out of 211 players who played their last game in 2014.    Of that group, Roberts ranks 9th in rWAR, 7th among position players.    Ahead of him: Jeter, Abreu, Giambi, C. Lee,  Furcal, E. Chavez, Beckett and M. Ellis.   Not too shabby.    

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2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Good, cause I'd hate to have to school you.

I was reading something about Jeter being the only one likely to get into the Hall this year and they were talking about steroids and Bonds, Clemens and Schilling and part of the way through it is as if they remembered that Schilling isn't being excluded due to steroid allegations.  I chuckled.

The didn't mention Roberts.

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4 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Good, cause I'd hate to have to school you.

Lord knows we haven't done this enough in the last 12 years lol.  

 

I'd leave them both off and write in Gary Cates from Delmarva 

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Some jabber about whether Jeter could be the second unanimous HOFer.    If so, I’ll vomit.   
 

Will Jeter follow fellow “Core Four” member Mariano Rivera and become the second unanimously-elected candidate?

Last year, Mariano Rivera became the first player ever elected unanimously, thus ending a dumb 82-year-old tradition that began when four voters left Ty Cobb off their ballots in 1936, and 11 did the same regarding Babe Ruth and Honus Wagner. If nobody could agree on them, the logic went, then how could such an honor be bestowed on even Ted Williams (93.4% in 1966), Willie Mays (94.7% in 1979), Hank Aaron (97.8% in 1982), or Greg Maddux (97.2% 2015)? It feels absurd even to type that sentence, but getting hundreds of baseball scribes of all shapes and sizes to agree on anything besides Marriott points was thought to be impossible. Even in an age of increased voter transparency, three fun-hating writers (all of them still unidentified) left Ken Griffey Jr. off their ballots in 2016.

As I wrote in January, Rivera benefited from a perfect storm of voter accountability, transparency, consensus on his status as the best ever within his niche, and universal respect throughout the industry as a player one who lived up to the responsibility of being the last to wear Jackie Robinson’s otherwise-retired number 42. With all due re2pect, Jeter, who along with Rivera helped the Yankees win five World Series and seven pennants, can’t claim best-ever status at shortstop. He was guarded and intentionally bland with the media, and did not have a connection with fans that transcended the pinstripes as Rivera did. That said, with 3,465 hits (sixth all-time), 14 All-Star appearances, and five rings, he’s a no-doubt Hall of Famer, one whose playing career was free of scandal; no, the gift baskets don’t count, and neither do his poor fielding metrics. While his tenure as Marlins CEO is off to a rocky start, it’s difficult to imagine any voter going on record to hold that against him. Perhaps an anonymous voter or three is laying in the weeds, but like Rivera and countless players before him, he should be unanimous. At the end of the day, though, it doesn’t really matter so long as he gets to 75%.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-big-questions-about-the-2020-bbwaa-hall-of-fame-ballot/

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1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Some jabber about whether Jeter could be the second unanimous HOFer.    If so, I’ll vomit.   
 

Will Jeter follow fellow “Core Four” member Mariano Rivera and become the second unanimously-elected candidate?

Last year, Mariano Rivera became the first player ever elected unanimously, thus ending a dumb 82-year-old tradition that began when four voters left Ty Cobb off their ballots in 1936, and 11 did the same regarding Babe Ruth and Honus Wagner. If nobody could agree on them, the logic went, then how could such an honor be bestowed on even Ted Williams (93.4% in 1966), Willie Mays (94.7% in 1979), Hank Aaron (97.8% in 1982), or Greg Maddux (97.2% 2015)? It feels absurd even to type that sentence, but getting hundreds of baseball scribes of all shapes and sizes to agree on anything besides Marriott points was thought to be impossible. Even in an age of increased voter transparency, three fun-hating writers (all of them still unidentified) left Ken Griffey Jr. off their ballots in 2016.

As I wrote in January, Rivera benefited from a perfect storm of voter accountability, transparency, consensus on his status as the best ever within his niche, and universal respect throughout the industry as a player one who lived up to the responsibility of being the last to wear Jackie Robinson’s otherwise-retired number 42. With all due re2pect, Jeter, who along with Rivera helped the Yankees win five World Series and seven pennants, can’t claim best-ever status at shortstop. He was guarded and intentionally bland with the media, and did not have a connection with fans that transcended the pinstripes as Rivera did. That said, with 3,465 hits (sixth all-time), 14 All-Star appearances, and five rings, he’s a no-doubt Hall of Famer, one whose playing career was free of scandal; no, the gift baskets don’t count, and neither do his poor fielding metrics. While his tenure as Marlins CEO is off to a rocky start, it’s difficult to imagine any voter going on record to hold that against him. Perhaps an anonymous voter or three is laying in the weeds, but like Rivera and countless players before him, he should be unanimous. At the end of the day, though, it doesn’t really matter so long as he gets to 75%.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-big-questions-about-the-2020-bbwaa-hall-of-fame-ballot/

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Won't bother me, I'm glad they culled those voters that would hold off voting for someone simply because it would make the vote unanimous.  A lot of the first ballot guys should have been unanimous.

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17 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Won't bother me, I'm glad they culled those voters that would hold off voting for someone simply because it would make the vote unanimous.  A lot of the first ballot guys should have been unanimous.

I agree completely.    But why should the Yankees have a monopoly on this for now?   12 people voted against Chipper Jones two years ago, and he was a significantly better player than Jeter.     They can start with the unanimous voting some other time.   (PS - admittedly, there’s nobody coming up in 2021 who deserves to be unanimous.)

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2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I agree completely.    But why should the Yankees have a monopoly on this for now?   12 people voted against Chipper Jones two years ago, and he was a significantly better player than Jeter.     They can start with the unanimous voting some other time.   (PS - admittedly, there’s nobody coming up in 2021 who deserves to be unanimous.)

Bonds does.

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