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Some Fangraphs comments on the players we selected in the minor league portion of the draft:

“The Orioles popped two players, first baseman Cristopher Cespedes and second baseman Wilbis Santiago, from Cleveland’s lower minors. Cespedes had the second-highest average exit velo in the minors last year at a whopping 96 mph on average, but he’s a first base-only guy who’s been in rookie ball for several years. I love Santiago’s swing and think he’s been a victim of Cleveland’s terrific middle infield depth in the lower minors, which is why he’s been quite old for his level.”

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-2019-rule-5-draft-scouting-reports/

This report also comments on Bailey and Rucker.    I posted those quotes on the threads about those two players.

 

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12 hours ago, Philip said:

Not quite. Half of all doctors graduate in the bottom 50%, but there’s a huge difference between the guy who hit 49% and the poor sod in the bottom 1%.

As if we would know which doctors graduated in the bottom 1%.

Still, my math holds that half of all doctors graduate in the bottom half of their classes.

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4 hours ago, Frobby said:

Some Fangraphs comments on the players we selected in the minor league portion of the draft:

“The Orioles popped two players, first baseman Cristopher Cespedes and second baseman Wilbis Santiago, from Cleveland’s lower minors. Cespedes had the second-highest average exit velo in the minors last year at a whopping 96 mph on average, but he’s a first base-only guy who’s been in rookie ball for several years. I love Santiago’s swing and think he’s been a victim of Cleveland’s terrific middle infield depth in the lower minors, which is why he’s been quite old for his level.”

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-2019-rule-5-draft-scouting-reports/

This report also comments on Bailey and Rucker.    I posted those quotes on the threads about those two players.

 

Never a bad idea to draft a guy with a higher avg ext velo than Judge, or any middle IF.  

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27 minutes ago, Beef Supreme said:

As if we would know which doctors graduated in the bottom 1%.

Still, my math holds that half of all doctors graduate in the bottom half of their classes.

I didn’t disagree with your math in the first place, I was merely pointing out that there’s a difference in the back half between 49 and one, And it’s completely irrelevant to the question at hand anyway.

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The 26/40 man rosters are going to look a lot different next year. See below for the players that will need to be protected next November or be eligible to be selected,

Fenter, Sedlock, Lowther, Baumann, Zimmerman, Wells, Hanifee, Mattson, Pop

Cumberland, McCoy, Bannon 

A lot can happen in a year, but that’s still 12/30ish prospects that will need to be added.  This could be the thing that gets Davis off the roster.  A lot of relievers this year will have to produce or be gone.  Wynns and Mullins will need to have big years as well. 

 

 

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23 hours ago, Frobby said:

Some Fangraphs comments on the players we selected in the minor league portion of the draft:

“The Orioles popped two players, first baseman Cristopher Cespedes and second baseman Wilbis Santiago, from Cleveland’s lower minors. Cespedes had the second-highest average exit velo in the minors last year at a whopping 96 mph on average, but he’s a first base-only guy who’s been in rookie ball for several years. I love Santiago’s swing and think he’s been a victim of Cleveland’s terrific middle infield depth in the lower minors, which is why he’s been quite old for his level.”

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-2019-rule-5-draft-scouting-reports/

This report also comments on Bailey and Rucker.    I posted those quotes on the threads about those two players.

 

Not understanding how the minors part of the draft works. Does it have to do with a players progression through the minors, or lack of?

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18 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Not understanding how the minors part of the draft works. Does it have to do with a players progression through the minors, or lack of?

Nothing to do with that. Of players that are eligible for the Rule 5 draft, you have to add them to the 40 man roster to protect them from the MLB portion (as you know). Then the team can protect another 37? players from the minor league phase. (not sure of the exact number).

So for example, they obviously protected

Sedlock, Cumberland, Fenter, Klimek, Alvarado, Muckenhirn, Ortiz, Peralta, Vespi, and Perez

and likely protected

Ferguson, Rifaela, Dietz, Jimenez, and probably a bunch of the upper minors depth guys. 

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17 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

Nothing to do with that. Of players that are eligible for the Rule 5 draft, you have to add them to the 40 man roster to protect them from the MLB portion (as you know). Then the team can protect another 37? players from the minor league phase. (not sure of the exact number).

So for example, they obviously protected

Sedlock, Cumberland, Fenter, Klimek, Alvarado, Muckenhirn, Ortiz, Peralta, Vespi, and Perez

and likely protected

Ferguson, Rifaela, Dietz, Jimenez, and probably a bunch of the upper minors depth guys. 

Good explanation. We have to be the only fanbase that is now talking about the Milb portion of the Rule 5 draft. Haha. That’s what it’s come to. 

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1 hour ago, Luke-OH said:

Nothing to do with that. Of players that are eligible for the Rule 5 draft, you have to add them to the 40 man roster to protect them from the MLB portion (as you know). Then the team can protect another 37? players from the minor league phase. (not sure of the exact number).

So for example, they obviously protected

Sedlock, Cumberland, Fenter, Klimek, Alvarado, Muckenhirn, Ortiz, Peralta, Vespi, and Perez

and likely protected

Ferguson, Rifaela, Dietz, Jimenez, and probably a bunch of the upper minors depth guys. 

So is there a time clock that starts at some point ? For example, Would Adley need to be protected?

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1 minute ago, Roll Tide said:

So is there a time clock that starts at some point ? For example, Would Adley need to be protected?

It's just the same guidelines as being eligible for the MLB portion. So Adley would be eligible in 2022. 

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2 hours ago, Luke-OH said:

Nothing to do with that. Of players that are eligible for the Rule 5 draft, you have to add them to the 40 man roster to protect them from the MLB portion (as you know). Then the team can protect another 37? players from the minor league phase. (not sure of the exact number).

 

This says there are 2 additional protections, one at AAA and one at AA. 

There are three separate phases in the Rule 5 Draft: the Major League phase, the Class AAA phase and the Class AA phase. A player selected in one of the three phases must be placed on the Major League Club's Reserve List in the same classification of the phase in which the player was selected. Within each phase, only players from a Reserve List of a lower classification Club are eligible for selection. Major League Clubs select in reverse order of their League standing at the close of the preceding championship season. Keep in mind that the roster size for purposes of the Rule 5 draft is much larger than the actual playing rosters. The Major League reserve roster is 40, while the playing roster is 25. The AAA roster size is 38, and the AA roster size is 37. 

https://pennstatelaw.psu.edu/_file/Sports Law Policy and Research Institute/teaching_handout_3.pdf

I don't see a date published anywhere. 

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11 minutes ago, 7Mo said:

This says there are 2 additional protections, one at AAA and one at AA. 

There are three separate phases in the Rule 5 Draft: the Major League phase, the Class AAA phase and the Class AA phase. A player selected in one of the three phases must be placed on the Major League Club's Reserve List in the same classification of the phase in which the player was selected. Within each phase, only players from a Reserve List of a lower classification Club are eligible for selection. Major League Clubs select in reverse order of their League standing at the close of the preceding championship season. Keep in mind that the roster size for purposes of the Rule 5 draft is much larger than the actual playing rosters. The Major League reserve roster is 40, while the playing roster is 25. The AAA roster size is 38, and the AA roster size is 37. 

https://pennstatelaw.psu.edu/_file/Sports Law Policy and Research Institute/teaching_handout_3.pdf

I don't see a date published anywhere. 

That recently changed, so there is just a AAA phase, which is why I'm not sure of the exact number.

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5 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

That recently changed, so there is just a AAA phase, which is why I'm not sure of the exact number.

38. December 12, 2018 article. 

Also, anyone who is on the 38-player Triple-A roster is protected from being picked in the minor league draft.

The minor league phase is much simpler--there are no eligibility rules that have to then be maintained. The player is drafted, the player's old organization is paid $24,500 (editor's note: this is updated after originally stating an incorrect figure) and immediately the player becomes a member of his new organization. Almost all of the players picked in the minor league phase of the Rule 5 draft are viewed as useful organizational players for their new team, but occasionally a player does find success with his new organization. Top players picked in the minor league Rule 5 include Alexi Ogando, Justin Bour, Omar Narvaez and Alejandro de Aza.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/explaining-the-rule-5-draft/

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2 hours ago, 7Mo said:

38. December 12, 2018 article. 

Also, anyone who is on the 38-player Triple-A roster is protected from being picked in the minor league draft.

The minor league phase is much simpler--there are no eligibility rules that have to then be maintained. The player is drafted, the player's old organization is paid $24,500 (editor's note: this is updated after originally stating an incorrect figure) and immediately the player becomes a member of his new organization. Almost all of the players picked in the minor league phase of the Rule 5 draft are viewed as useful organizational players for their new team, but occasionally a player does find success with his new organization. Top players picked in the minor league Rule 5 include Alexi Ogando, Justin Bour, Omar Narvaez and Alejandro de Aza.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/explaining-the-rule-5-draft/

Thanks for the information and discussion to you and @Luke-OH

It makes it easier to understand 

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