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2 hours ago, wildbillhiccup said:

I think you're going Jeter too much credit. Jeter is the Elway of MLB. He's an idiot with zero long term vision or game plan for the franchise. This is just one of many stream of consciousness type moves since he's taken over the reigns. That Gallen for Chisholm trade he made last year was a terrible move too. 

Jeter makes Elway look like Bill Belichick in comparison. Jeter is only doing the job because he was given an ownership stake. Why would he want to do the day-to-day work of a MLB GM after making $265M in career earnings from the Yankees alone not including endorsements. He doesn't. 

I don't know who is really the day-to-day GM for the Marlins, but it's certainly not Jeter. 

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2 hours ago, wildbillhiccup said:

They didn't. It's just another reason to bitch, complain and second guess. 

So, if someone agrees with a lot of decisions by Elias and the general direction/strategy taken, but disagrees with one, they are bitching and complaining?  I guess that's one way to address any issues raised.

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3 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:

I think the league told Jeter he had to have at least a few players on the team making over the minimum or it might hurt negotiations on the new CBA.  I think that's the only reason they acquired Villar.

And we are immune to such criticism because of the Davis albatross?

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16 minutes ago, SteveA said:

And we are immune to such criticism because of the Davis albatross?

To be fair,  that's a world class albatross.

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1 hour ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

 

Jeter makes Elway look like Bill Belichick in comparison. Jeter is only doing the job because he was given an ownership stake. Why would he want to do the day-to-day work of a MLB GM after making $265M in career earnings from the Yankees alone not including endorsements. He doesn't. 

I don't know who is really the day-to-day GM for the Marlins, but it's certainly not Jeter. 

Elway signed Peyton Manning on the FA market, which makes him a great GM/VP. Manning wasn’t a Titan. They tried offering him a stake in the team. 

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2 hours ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

 

Jeter makes Elway look like Bill Belichick in comparison. Jeter is only doing the job because he was given an ownership stake. Why would he want to do the day-to-day work of a MLB GM after making $265M in career earnings from the Yankees alone not including endorsements. He doesn't. 

I don't know who is really the day-to-day GM for the Marlins, but it's certainly not Jeter. 

There is a real Harvard educated GM in Miami and he is [not] an ex jock. 

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I'm struggling to understand this:

So, how much better is 31-year old Tommy Pham than Villar? He plays a different position, but still... I wouldn't think Pham is a more valuable commodity v. Villar.

We got virtually nothing in return for Villar, yet the Rays seemed to have made out quite well. Pham is being paid 8.6 million this coming season... and will go to Arb 3 in 2021 before heading to FA. So the money would appear similar for 2020.  I may be looking at this wrong, but it seems to me that the Padres overpaid or we were shorted. 

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3 minutes ago, Greg Pappas said:

I'm struggling to understand this:

So, how much better is 31-year old Tommy Pham than Villar? He plays a different position, but still... I wouldn't think Pham is a more valuable commodity v. Villar.

We got virtually nothing in return for Villar, yet the Rays seemed to have made out quite well. Pham is being paid 8.6 million this coming season... and will go to Arb 3 in 2021 before heading to FA. So the money would appear similar for 2020.  I may be looking at this wrong, but it seems to me that the Padres overpaid or we were shorted. 

You must be using WAR again. 

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5 minutes ago, Greg Pappas said:

I'm struggling to understand this:

So, how much better is 31-year old Tommy Pham than Villar? He plays a different position, but still... I wouldn't think Pham is a more valuable commodity v. Villar.

We got virtually nothing in return for Villar, yet the Rays seemed to have made out quite well. Pham is being paid 8.6 million this coming season... and will go to Arb 3 in 2021 before heading to FA. So the money would appear similar for 2020.  I may be looking at this wrong, but it seems to me that the Padres overpaid or we were shorted. 

You see what Snell said on Twitch?  😂

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Just now, weams said:

You must be using WAR again. 

I didn't reference WAR because I never looked it up. I'm aware of WAR and other analytic stats, but don't reference them all that often. I guess I should pay more attention to it, however.

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4 hours ago, LookinUp said:

End of July you were getting a mid .700's poor fielding 2b/SS. This is a guy who was traded with another piece for Jonathan Schoop.

End of year you're getting a guy whose arb # is $10 million and who had one great month but was otherwise mostly still the mid .700's average at best fielding middle infielder. 

I seriously think the O's made out big time just by letting him go. We'd be marginally better with him, IMO, at a cost of $10 m. I don't think he'll net a great return at all at this year's deadline, but I guess we'll see.

An average-hitting, average-fielding middle infielder is still above average all other things considered.  That's worth more than 10 million, so the tepid response to his availability os a bit puzzling.  His running is usually a positive, even if he runs himself into outs sometimes.  His stolen-base ability outweighs that by a lot.

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5 minutes ago, Greg Pappas said:

I didn't reference WAR because I never looked it up. I'm aware of WAR and other analytic stats, but don't reference them all that often. I guess I should pay more attention to it, however.

No. I just meant Pham is a much better player than Villar and a two year get as well. 

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I should have spent more time reviewing Pham's career. While he is two-years older than Villar, he has been a very good and consistent good player over his 6-year career. Even so, the difference in the returns the Rays and O's got seems skewed to me.

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14 minutes ago, Greg Pappas said:

I didn't reference WAR because I never looked it up. I'm aware of WAR and other analytic stats, but don't reference them all that often. I guess I should pay more attention to it, however.

The defensive metrics in WAR have currently made it an antiquated way to evaluate relative worth of players. Teams have access to much more specific and accurate ways of measure. Which makes us mad because we can't arm chair like when everyone was dumber. 

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