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Winter meetings preview by Trezza,

https://www.mlb.com/orioles/news/orioles-focused-on-acquiring-more-prospects

Whom might they trade? RHP Mychal Givens, 1B/OF Trey Mancini and INF Hanser Alberto.

The Orioles will undoubtedly want to gobble up more young talent in any potential deal for Givens or anyone else.

The question is how Givens is valued in the midst of seemingly two opposing forces: his down 2019 season and this winter's shallow free-agent market for relievers. The Yankees, Phillies and others had interested at the Trade Deadline last July; both would seemingly be in the business of bolstering their bullpen again, because who isn't? Any team that targets Givens would likely do so for a setup role, rather than the closer/fireman role Givens struggled in last season.

As for Mancini, he's coming off an excellent year and is growing into the face of the franchise. Still, the Orioles will listen. But they are less likely to trade him at this point unless they are overwhelmed.

"We're not going to alter what we feel are the appropriate levels of return we might seek for any players remaining, especially those who are under longer-term commitments," Elias said. "We will be careful to see the right return if we move anyone else, but there is no guarantee we will be moving anyone else."

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1 minute ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Winter meetings preview by Trezza,

https://www.mlb.com/orioles/news/orioles-focused-on-acquiring-more-prospects

Whom might they trade? RHP Mychal Givens, 1B/OF Trey Mancini and INF Hanser Alberto.

The Orioles will undoubtedly want to gobble up more young talent in any potential deal for Givens or anyone else.

The question is how Givens is valued in the midst of seemingly two opposing forces: his down 2019 season and this winter's shallow free-agent market for relievers. The Yankees, Phillies and others had interested at the Trade Deadline last July; both would seemingly be in the business of bolstering their bullpen again, because who isn't? Any team that targets Givens would likely do so for a setup role, rather than the closer/fireman role Givens struggled in last season.

As for Mancini, he's coming off an excellent year and is growing into the face of the franchise. Still, the Orioles will listen. But they are less likely to trade him at this point unless they are overwhelmed.

"We're not going to alter what we feel are the appropriate levels of return we might seek for any players remaining, especially those who are under longer-term commitments," Elias said. "We will be careful to see the right return if we move anyone else, but there is no guarantee we will be moving anyone else."

 

I don't think Elias cares about the "Face of the Franchise" and I can't imagine keeping Mancini based on his age, cost (arbitration starting next year), and the fact that we probably wont be ready to compete in 2022/2023 (Age 31/32).

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37 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

This is the kind of post that tips off conflict. Its a discussion board and @weams ant the other mods have asked that we tone things down.

The guy has 12.000 posts so it should be obvious that he's passionate about the Orioles and just didn't like the move.


It is kind of like if your girlfriend left you after cheating on you. Now she is with a second guy.  She is gone now what difference does it make who she is sleeping with.

For me it’s more like this: your wife (not girlfriend) who you still love passionately after many ups and downs, has told you she needs to go away for a long while and make some changes to regain the passion for you she once had, and it’s the only way she can do it.    Your relationship has been at a low point lately, but you still love her, and you know she’s right that she needs to make some big changes.   She promises she’ll be back better than ever, and you’re sure she’s sincere, but you know it might not happen.     Then she walks out the door.    

You can wait, or not.  
 

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1 minute ago, Frobby said:


]QUOTE=atomic]It is kind of like if your girlfriend left you after cheating on you. Now she is with a second guy.  She is gone now what difference does it make who she is sleeping with. [/QUOTE]

For me it’s more like this: your wife (not girlfriend) who you still love passionately after many ups and downs, has told you she needs to go away for a long while and make some changes to regain the passion for you she once had, and it’s the only way she can do it.    Your relationship has been at a low point lately, but you still love her, and you know she’s right that she needs to make some big changes.   She promises she’ll be back better than ever, and you’re sure she’s sincere, but you know it might not happen.     Then she walks out the door.    

You can wait, or not.  
 

The say absence makes the heart grow fond. But there is als the possibility that she meets someone else in that period regardless of her sincerity.

In @atomic's I doubt he finds another team.

As a side note, If the Orioles which I don't see happening relocated to Tennessee, I would renounce my fandom and never bother with baseball again.

As a fan, you can choose to blame the ownership group. However, I blame MLB and the other owners. They muscled the Expos in the Orioles TV market and really close proximity geographically.

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11 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

Bradish

Peek (highest ceiling, but we don’t know how he’ll handle a pro workload)

Brnovich

Mattson

 

Lucas

Peek and Bradish, same tier for me, definite top 30, probably around high teens to mid 20s.

Brnovich and Mattson, maybe 26-30 range, maybe off the 30. Lucas, somewhere in the group that just missed, similar to Hammer who I mentioned in the Beyond the 30.

Thanks. 

I like that we targeted four top 30ish types rather than getting just one top 5 type back. 

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Just now, Roll Tide said:

As a side note, If the Orioles which I don't see happening relocated to Tennessee, I would renounce my fandom and never bother with baseball again.

I’d switch over to the Nats, I expect, but it would never be the same.    

I could not disagree more about blaming this on MLB or the Nats.   The O’s sucked for 7 years before the Nats arrrived.   The O’s have not been well run, and Angelos is the main reason for that.    The fish rots from the head.
 

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18 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

I don't think Elias cares about the "Face of the Franchise" and I can't imagine keeping Mancini based on his age, cost (arbitration starting next year), and the fact that we probably wont be ready to compete in 2022/2023 (Age 31/32).

Yeah I agree.  I think Mancini is poised to have two big seasons offensively, but that matters little to us long term. It’s just a matter of getting some type of fair value for him.  

Trezza does shed some insight that I didn’t know before in pointing out that the Phillies, Yankees, and other were in on Givens at the deadline. 

Is the reliever market shallow or is Trezza off there?

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2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I’d switch over to the Nats, I expect, but it would never be the same.    

I could not disagree more about blaming this on MLB or the Nats.   The O’s sucked for 7 years before the Nats arrrived.   The O’s have not been well run, and Angelos is the main reason for that.    The fish rots from the head.
 

I wouldn't ever!

I blame MLB....I acknowledge Angelos being a bad owner. My thoughts on Peter are well know OH Lore! 

But MLB forced the Expos into D.C. And turned a large market team into 2 mid market teams or 1 mid and 1 small depending on who you talk to. Obviously there were other options like Nashville which would have done no major damage to any othe team.

I do blame Angelos for not fighting it harder in federal court. Which could've delayed the process and forced MLB to consider other locations. I think he sold  out by the golden parachute deal he received that included MASN and the selling price guarantees. 

Obviously the MASN thing didn't turn out the way he had anticipated and has been a lot of aggravation for the Orioles, Baseball, and the fans.

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9 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Yeah I agree.  I think Mancini is poised to have two big seasons offensively, but that matters little to us long term. It’s just a matter of getting some type of fair value for him.  

Trezza does shed some insight that I didn’t know before in pointing out that the Phillies, Yankees, and other were in on Givens at the deadline. 

Is the reliever market shallow or is Trezza off there?

Obviously he didn't receive any offers that were worth at least Easton? Otherwise in your mind he would've made the deal right?

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3 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Obviously he didn't receive any offers that were worth at least Easton? Otherwise in your mind he would've made the deal right?

Givens and “Superstar Villar” are two different situations though. 

Take any one player out of the Bundy deal, and I’d be happy with that as a return for Givens. 

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22 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I’d switch over to the Nats, I expect, but it would never be the same.    

I could not disagree more about blaming this on MLB or the Nats.   The O’s sucked for 7 years before the Nats arrrived.   The O’s have not been well run, and Angelos is the main reason for that.    The fish rots from the head.
 

Can’t stomach the Nationals.  I would probably go Braves for a few years before not watching MLB at all.

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1 hour ago, Luke-OH said:

Bradish

Peek (highest ceiling, but we don’t know how he’ll handle a pro workload)

Brnovich

Mattson

 

Lucas

Peek and Bradish, same tier for me, definite top 30, probably around high teens to mid 20s.

Brnovich and Mattson, maybe 26-30 range, maybe off the 30. Lucas, somewhere in the group that just missed, similar to Hammer who I mentioned in the Beyond the 30.

Hammer, Dan Hammer. 

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