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Do you like the Bundy trade?

Do you like the Bundy trade?  

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  1. 1. Do you like the Bundy trade?

    • Yes - timing is good and not a bad return
    • No - not enough return to move him now
    • No - didn’t want to trade him, period
    • Meh - don’t hate it but had thought we could get more


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16 minutes ago, Sammy Seagull said:

Three years from now this will be regarded as one of the steals of the century.

Boy I hope your right. I’m just hoping for 1 to turnout better than Bundy

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42 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

I'm just glad that we don't have him as a reminder of the failed drafting/player development of the previous regime.

Two top 5 pitchers (Gausman & Bundy), Gausman released, and Bundy traded for non prospects.

I won’t down vote you for this post. But they picked up 2 players that have had success in the minors. One was ranked #17 and the other is just outside the top 30 that moved 3 levels last season. In addition, we picked up 2 of their Top 10 2019 draft picks.

I can understand not liking the return but calling them non prospects is just making stuff up.

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30 minutes ago, Sammy Seagull said:

Three years from now this will be regarded as one of the steals of the century.

Hmmm.   Bundy is going to play his home games in a bigger park.   He also will play in a division that has bigger parks in Oakland and Seattle.  Not sure about Houston's park size.

So are you saying that in three years Bundy at 30 will have far and away  done better so it will be considered a steal for the Angels?

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Personally, I hate that he showed traces of dominance, but never came remotely close to the hype.

I dont want to blame TJ, as his velocity mostly returned.

Was the scout reviews incorrect, was our coaching in the minors/majors incorrect, or a combination of both??????

I think he is a likable guy, and was easy to root for.

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Meh.  His value wasn't high, none of the guys we got back seem that interesting to me but that's about what I'd expect for Bundy right now.  Hopefully they can mine some gold.  My concern is - I get rebuilding to a point, but you do still need to field a team that can get through a season.  Who the heck is going to pitch for us next year?  Bundy may not have been very good but he could at least give innings.

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31 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Hmmm.   Bundy is going to play his home games in a bigger park.   He also will play in a division that has bigger parks in Oakland and Seattle.  Not sure about Houston's park size.

So are you saying that in three years Bundy at 30 will have far and away  done better so it will be considered a steal for the Angels?

I expect Bundy’s ERA to be lower pitching for the LAA than it was for the Orioles.     But so what?     If his ERA+ is significantly lower, than he’ll have actually accomplished something.     Let’s see if that happens — and I hope it does.   

Will anyone we acquired be an impact major leaguer?    I hope so, but have no particular expectations.    Our development team needs to get to work.    
 

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1 hour ago, webbrick2010 said:

I'm just glad that we don't have him as a reminder of the failed drafting/player development of the previous regime.

Two top 5 pitchers (Gausman & Bundy), Gausman released, and Bundy traded for non prospects.

Don't spoil the moment. Let it linger.  When you hold it up to the light, you will see the previous regime was the most successful regime in your lifetime.  That's the bad news.  The good news is that it's a low bar so there is lot's of room to improve!!!!!  

 

edit to add: ;) 

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I think it's interesting that Eppler said they were willing to entertain the possibility of sending us a smaller number of higher quality prospects but that Elias preferred numbers over quality.  Maybe the better prospects would require 40 man slots?  Personally, I'd rather have one stud than four maybes and it sounds like that was a possibility.  Hopefully, it works out.  I see more middle relievers than starters or high leverage relievers.  Time will tell.

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2 hours ago, webbrick2010 said:

I'm just glad that we don't have him as a reminder of the failed drafting/player development of the previous regime.

Two top 5 pitchers (Gausman & Bundy), Gausman released, and Bundy traded for non prospects.

Bundy was drafted by the Andy Maphail regime.  He took so long to get healthy you just assume it was DD.  DD only had one high draft pick in Gausman who was somewhat successful.  Both Bundy and Gausman were a lot more successful than the 2 pitchers Elias selected #1 overall with the Astros.   Elias isn't some great drafting savant.  Something people on here should know.  He might have made the two worst #1 overall picks of all time. 

And look at the Astros staff.  Almost all free agents and trades.  

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9 minutes ago, NCRaven said:

I think it's interesting that Eppler said they were willing to entertain the possibility of sending us a smaller number of higher quality prospects but that Elias preferred numbers over quality.  Maybe the better prospects would require 40 man slots?  Personally, I'd rather have one stud than four maybes and it sounds like that was a possibility.  Hopefully, it works out.  I see more middle relievers than starters or high leverage relievers.  Time will tell.

Yeah I agree I would rather have one guy who was more likely to succeed.  A lot of these guys Elias could have drafted if he was so high on them. 

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11 minutes ago, atomic said:

Yeah I agree I would rather have one guy who was more likely to succeed.  A lot of these guys Elias could have drafted if he was so high on them. 

Elias seems to be playing a numbers game here.    He obviously has a lot of confidence in Chris Holt and feels that the more arms he gives Holt to develop, the higher the chances that we develop a quality major league pitching staff.     I agree these aren’t high ceiling guys, but neither was John Means.     

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22 minutes ago, NCRaven said:

I think it's interesting that Eppler said they were willing to entertain the possibility of sending us a smaller number of higher quality prospects but that Elias preferred numbers over quality.  Maybe the better prospects would require 40 man slots?  Personally, I'd rather have one stud than four maybes and it sounds like that was a possibility.  Hopefully, it works out.  I see more middle relievers than starters or high leverage relievers.  Time will tell.

That’s unfortunate. I’d have much rather seen quality over quantity...but I’m content to just trust whatever approach Elias is taking. Even if I disagree completely 

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1 hour ago, Roll Tide said:

I won’t down vote you for this post. But they picked up 2 players that have had success in the minors. One was ranked #17 and the other is just outside the top 30 that moved 3 levels last season. In addition, we picked up 2 of their Top 10 2019 draft picks.

I can understand not liking the return but calling them non prospects is just making stuff up.

Also, Gausman wasn't released by the Orioles, he was traded.

And Gausman and Bundy had the 6th and 8th highest rWARs of all #4 overall picks of the last 30 years, so they weren't even failures. You can be disappointed that they didn't do more, but they were not close to failures. They were both legit Major League starters for several years.

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