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46 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Since they fired him before he was suspended (potentially) they have to pay him the whole contract right?  The smart move would seem to be to have waited.

It doesn’t affect the luxury tax and they are loaded with money so what does it matter.  Think of payment for doing a good job.  

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On 1/14/2020 at 9:42 AM, Frobby said:

Here’s a tidbit: in an MLBTR poll, 47% think the Astros got off too light, 44% think the punishment was fair, 8% think the penalty was too heavy.    That’s with about 20,000 people voting so far.    So, very mixed opinions there.   https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/01/mlbtr-poll-the-astros-scandal.html

 

On 1/14/2020 at 10:09 AM, atomic said:

Online polls are worthless.  People vote multiple times. 
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You don't think some Astros fan couldn't write a script to vote 10,000 times?  If you don't have to log into vote I would consider an online poll completely useless.

23 hours ago, Frobby said:

Perhaps a fan could, but why would he/she?    It’s not worth the time.   There is no consequence to the poll.    

You’ve inspired me to do a poll here.   Coming next.   
 

So far, with 103 posters voting, the OH poll is running more favorable to the Astros than the MLBTR poll.   The former has 57-58% saying the punishment was about right, with 7-8% saying too heavy and 33-34% saying too light.    In the MLBTR poll, it’s running 43% about right, 8-9% too heavy, 48-49% too light.    

My theory on why the OH posters have been more lenient so far is that the Orioles weren’t much affected by the Astros’ cheating.     We were lousy in 2017-18, weren’t in the playoffs, and weren’t in the Astros’ division.    I bet if you broke down the votes in the MLBTR poll, the Dodgers and Yankee fans skew heavily to “too light.”
 

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8 minutes ago, Frobby said:

 

So far, with 103 posters voting, the OH poll is running more favorable to the Astros than the MLBTR poll.   The former has 57-58% saying the punishment was about right, with 7-8% saying too heavy and 33-34% saying too light.    In the MLBTR poll, it’s running 43% about right, 8-9% too heavy, 48-49% too light.    

My theory on why the OH posters have been more lenient so far is that the Orioles weren’t much affected by the Astros’ cheating.     We were lousy in 2017-18, weren’t in the playoffs, and weren’t in the Astros’ division.    I bet if you broke down the votes in the MLBTR poll, the Dodgers and Yankee fans skew heavily to “too light.”
 

What's made this tough for me to decide is the lack of precedent. We all know about the 1951 Giants but that came out years later after Leo Durocher was deceased. I think your hunch is right though. We were not heavily impacted by what happened.  

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On 1/14/2020 at 5:31 PM, Can_of_corn said:

I'm currently being mildly downvoted in R/Baseball for arguing against intentionally hitting Astro players.

 

Did you post that comment on the fangraphs article too? Reddit is a lynch mob sometimes, which is dumb. 

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Just now, MDtransplant757 said:

Did you post that comment on the fangraphs article too? Reddit is a lynch mob sometimes, which is dumb. 

Nope.  I expected to get downvoted on Reddit, most time it is pretty easy to tell what the mob will turn on.

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16 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Nope.  I expected to get downvoted on Reddit, most time it is pretty easy to tell what the mob will turn on.

I looked and didn't see any down voting related to this.  What is your user name on reddit?

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4 minutes ago, atomic said:

I looked and didn't see any down voting related to this.  What is your user name on reddit?

I mean I won't delete the account if you figure it out but why would I give it to you?

And why would you ask?

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10 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

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I mean I won't delete the account if you figure it out but why would I give it to you?

And why would you ask?

Curiosity, of course. I looked into r/ right baseball after you said that. Don't even have a reddit account. Don't really care too.

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10 hours ago, Frobby said:

 

So far, with 103 posters voting, the OH poll is running more favorable to the Astros than the MLBTR poll.   The former has 57-58% saying the punishment was about right, with 7-8% saying too heavy and 33-34% saying too light.    In the MLBTR poll, it’s running 43% about right, 8-9% too heavy, 48-49% too light.    

My theory on why the OH posters have been more lenient so far is that the Orioles weren’t much affected by the Astros’ cheating.     We were lousy in 2017-18, weren’t in the playoffs, and weren’t in the Astros’ division.    I bet if you broke down the votes in the MLBTR poll, the Dodgers and Yankee fans skew heavily to “too light.”
 

I haven’t voted yet, but I think the punishment was too light and it doesn’t have anything to do with whether the Orioles were affected or not, which is a shameful reason for saying it was too light. Wrong is wrong whether it affects you or not.

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27 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

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I mean I won't delete the account if you figure it out but why would I give it to you?

And why would you ask?

Just trying to see where you said you were down voted. I saw someone with your usual type of comment on this and the comments were actually slightly up voted.   So what I am saying is I don't believe you were actually down voted .

 

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4 hours ago, MDtransplant757 said:

Did you post that comment on the fangraphs article too? Reddit is a lynch mob sometimes, which is dumb. 

That’s insane to think potentially maiming Astros players is a rational response, but it’s the internet so anything goes. 

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Found this kind of interesting.

But there is a disturbing account of the wink-wink level of how elements of the Astros’ system spread. Before the 2019 season, the New York Yankees hired Beltran as a special assistant to General Manager Brian Cashman. Last June, Boston gave up 29 runs in a two-game series sweep at the hands of the Yankees in London. Afterward, Cora addressed the sweep, and brought up Beltran — unsolicited.

“I was joking with somebody that their biggest free agent acquisition was Carlos Beltran,” Cora said just before providing an exaggerated wink. “I know how he works. He’s helping a lot … I’m not saying ‘devices,’ all that stuff. It’s just stuff that the game will dictate, and we’ll scream at people and it’s right there. Throughout the evening, I was looking and I saw it.”

In the moment, huh? But nearly seven months later, there’s new context to what Cora was talking about. And yet Cora is out of a job, and Beltran is about to start his.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/mlb/mlb-wont-punish-cheating-astros-players-and-thats-not-right/2020/01/15/7a41139c-37c1-11ea-bb7b-265f4554af6d_story.html

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7 hours ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

That’s insane to think potentially maiming Astros players is a rational response, but it’s the internet so anything goes. 

People were joking.  Can of Corn does not have sense of humor. 

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27 minutes ago, atomic said:

People were joking.  Can of Corn does not have sense of humor. 

I certainly wouldn’t say that.   He has a very distinct sense of humor.     He just doesn’t like joking about this topic.    But it doesn’t bother me to joke about it so long as it’s clearly joking.  

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