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I've had time to digest everything and let the emotions cool off a bit, and after reading everything I think it's fair to say Greg Roman's offensive game plan was an utter disaster and was a huge part of the lack of offense by the Ravens.

Was Lamar at his MVP best. no, he was a little off on some throws, and of course we had multiple dropped passes, but at the end of the day, why did Roman change the formula that work so well all season? 

Forget the awful first half, let's start with the beginning of the second half where Lamar passed for 10 and ran for three in the first 14 plays? What in the actual hell was he thinking? Even if Ingram was not 100%, what did Edwards do not to get the ball? He touched the ball three times! Three freakin' times. Ricard was on the field for seven plays. Seven freakin' plays!

Instead you had Lamar throwing and running like there was no one else on the field. Was the Oline dominated at times, particularly on short yardage situations, sure. Where were the option plays that worked so well this season?

Vinny on 105.7 asked the question whether Roman was trying to impress the Browns by showing he could throw the ball around with Baker Mayfield. I don't know if that was the reason or not, but how are you so successful all year then change it and put up 12 points?

Harbaugh deserves some blame here to because he allowed this to happen. Typical Harbaugh who never steps in when his coordinators are putting up an egg and that's face it, Roman put up an absolute egg.

In my mind, Roman decided he was smarter than everyone and wanted to show he could throw the ball around as well as call running plays. Pees was ready and had a great game plan to contain Lamar and Roman never adjusted other than to throw the ball more or run Lamar.

With all the expectations with this team, this is one of the hardest losses to to take in Ravens history. Sure, I had blast this year and we'll always have the fun it was watching them during the regular season, but this loss definitely taints the legacy of this team and certainly continues to show Harbaugh's lack of ability to win playoff games since the Super Bowl.

Watching the Chiefs yesterday come back from a 24-0 deficit to beat the Texans shows what a well disciplined and well coached team can do. The Ravens, particularity Roman and Harbaugh panicked. They got behind and instead of going, "We know we are better, we just gotta get back to who we are," they panicked and tried to become the 1981 Chargers.

Did the defense get skunked a few times and were not effective at containing Henry, sure, but to put up 12 points with this offense is criminal and the main criminal was Roman. Maybe next time he'll focus on the job at hand and not his potential future job because games like this will be the reason he'll never get that job one day.

Never in my life have a seen a coach switch things so much after being so successful. Hopefully he'll learn from this but I'm not sure you can trust a guy after what he just pulled.

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My Son and I were yelling the exact same things during the game. I think the success of the regular season went to his head and he got arrogant. The inability to adjust is inexcusable.

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Can’t excuse Harbaugh either, he is the head coach and can tell Roman to change up the play calls. Harbaugh could have also made Gus the primary back because Ingram was not 100%.

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Looking back during the two week layoff you can see this brewing.  There was too much talk about the Super Bowl, coaching interviews, etc..  Sure, the players said the right things about there still being work to do, etc...  but looking back you can see the attitude was much more relaxed than it should have been.    Judon was joking with Harbaugh at one of his Q/A sessions.  Lamar, telling people to chill on Greg Roman.  Players were smiling like they were being interviewed prior to the Super Bowl.  Even Harbaugh was rocking one of Hollywood Brown's apparel items at practice.   I didn't see any focus specifically on the Titans other than the usual player speak of 'they're a tough team'.  Earl Thomas' comments about not tackling Derrick Henry were downright incendiary firing up the Titan's locker room.  I expect such antics from say, the Cleveland Browns, but from the Ravens we are not used to such brash cockiness, at least not without backing it up.    It really showed in the lack of game planning and inability of our players to adjust.  

On the bright side,  no one is making excuses. Lamar handled his post game presser superbly.   He will learn from this.  They know they crapped the bed. With experience they will learn to handle a little setback without panicking.   It is striking how KC handled their game compared to the Ravens.  Better coaching and more experience for key players.  The Ravens are a young team.   

One silver lining:  The biggest losers after this debacle are probably Roman and Wink, who along with Harbaugh deserve most of the blame. Who would want them to lead their team after this performance?  Both are superb coordinators.   I hope they are here in Baltimore for a long time.  I don't see either as head coach material.  No offense.  

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I fully agree this loss is squarely on Roman and Harbaugh, though I sincerely doubt Roman was trying to show off. I think it was a simple case of premature panic. This team was not battle tested. We hadn’t lost in about two months and you always learn the most about yourself through losses. I HATED the fact that we were on such a win streak, as fun as it was to watch. While this result is excruciating, I can’t say I’m overly surprised. I do think and hope this will bring us back even stronger next year. Hopefully Tennessee has created a monster and we will win it all next year!

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Marty Morninwheg used to claim he liked to run the ball but got pass-happy at the drop of a hat when the game wasn't going the way he wanted to.

It happened time and time again.

I thought with him gone and Roman in charge we were finally over that problem.   But Saturday night looked like Marty all over again.

It's clear both Ingram and Andrews weren't 100% and that hurt a lot.   And our defense couldn't handle Henry.   So we might have lost anyway.   But the game Roman called made it a sure thing.

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We could give credit to Pees and Henry.  The Titans did beat the Patriots the week before.  It will be interesting to see how they play against the Chiefs.  Henry is clearly a game changer right now. 

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Also I think the biggest blunder was going for it on 4th down at their own 45.  It is Ok to play the analytics when you have a regular season game where one loss doesn’t end your season. But at that point you need to punt the ball down the field.  

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I understand why you would blame the playcalling, and at first, I would have agreed with you.  But the Ravens did everything that got them to the postseason, with only minor modifications, specifically around giving the ball to Ingram.  They ran for 185, they passed for 345, and they controlled the clock.  But when you turn the ball over 3 times, it's really hard to win unless you get some takeaways yourself.  Lamar had 3 turnovers.  One of them was on a fumble, one of them was a bad decision, one of them was bad luck on a tip.  Oh, and they allowed almost 200 yards rushing to Henry.

I would probably argue that Roman's playcalling put the team in a position to win.  It was 3 turnovers and 4 failed 4th down conversions that did us in.

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Greg Roman could never just leave well enough alone in SF. I hope he is able to learn from his past mistakes, because it would be a real shame to derail another promising career. Like him or hate him as a person, Kaepernick was a very good player (in my biased opinion, better all-around than Lamar) his first season and a half. Then Roman tried doing things that no longer worked to Kap's strengths, whether it was because he wanted to develop him as a "pure pocket passer" or because the league was eventually catching up to the pistol, RDO scheme that devastated opponents for so long. 

I think we'd all agree that you have to be an effective passer to survive in this league as a QB long-term, and I'm not sure if Lamar has those long-term attributes yet or not. Hopefully he can learn them if he hasn't yet, but I don't like his throwing motion, that's for sure. That's just one component of many, but it's a red flag. He'll only be able to rely on his superior athleticism for so long before the league demands that he is able to pass the ball reasonably well. 

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10 minutes ago, Hallas said:

I understand why you would blame the playcalling, and at first, I would have agreed with you.  But the Ravens did everything that got them to the postseason, with only minor modifications, specifically around giving the ball to Ingram.  They ran for 185, they passed for 345, and they controlled the clock.  But when you turn the ball over 3 times, it's really hard to win unless you get some takeaways yourself.  Lamar had 3 turnovers.  One of them was on a fumble, one of them was a bad decision, one of them was bad luck on a tip.  Oh, and they allowed almost 200 yards rushing to Henry.

I would probably argue that Roman's playcalling put the team in a position to win.  It was 3 turnovers and 4 failed 4th down conversions that did us in.

Lamar dropped back to throw over 70 times and the running backs had 9 carries, that’s not at all what got them to the playoffs. 

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4 minutes ago, Brian88 said:

Lamar dropped back to throw over 70 times and the running backs had 9 carries, that’s not at all what got them to the playoffs. 

180 yards rushing?  We were also 3 scores down and our leading RB wasn't 100%...

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3 minutes ago, Brian88 said:

Lamar dropped back to throw over 70 times and the running backs had 9 carries, that’s not at all what got them to the playoffs. 

Anyone that doesn't get this should stop watching and commenting on Football.

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41 minutes ago, Hallas said:

180 yards rushing?  We were also 3 scores down and our leading RB wasn't 100%...

I really don't know how you could watch that game and say that was the same offense that got them to the playoffs. As soon as they got behind they panicked and gave up on the run. They were never down by 3 scores until 4 minutes  left in the 3rd quarter. Even in their first drive of the second half when it was 14-6 they made no attempt to establish a running game. Yes, Ingram wasn't 100% but what about Gus? he has proved to be more than capable, took his first carry for 19 yards and only gets the ball two more times. Until the score went to 28-6 there was no reason not to stick with what made them so successful all season. The majority of the rushing yards came on passing plays the Lamar ran and mostly once the game was out of hand. I don't even remember seeing Ricard playing, he was even in there on the 4th and inches they didn't get, why not have him in there to at least make it look more like you might hand it off. 

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2 hours ago, Hallas said:

180 yards rushing?  We were also 3 scores down and our leading RB wasn't 100%...

That was mostly Lamar running out of the pocket.  You need some runs up the middle from the big backs to wear the opposing defense down. 

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