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5 minutes ago, weams said:

There is no mention of Elias. Or Sig. Who quit the Astros with no job and went back to corporate work.  I assume at some point both were made aware. This are not dumb men. 

Yeah but either way I don't think you can punish them if they weren't involved.  I don't know that there is whistle blower protection in MLB.

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2 minutes ago, atomic said:

Yeah but either way I don't think you can punish them if they weren't involved.  I don't know that there is whistle blower protection in MLB.

I agree.

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7 minutes ago, Snutchy said:

I think that Carlos Beltran is going to have a hard time getting into the HoF now.

Baseball has, in the past, largely turned a blind eye to in-game cheating with respect to hall of fame admission.  I don't think this affects his HOF resume much, if at all.  Though it's possible that in the twitter, righteous-fury, cancel culture of the 2010s, he does see a negative effect. A bit of thread derailment, but I feel like this is inconsistent with baseball's view on PEDs.

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1 hour ago, Hallas said:

Baseball has, in the past, largely turned a blind eye to in-game cheating with respect to hall of fame admission.  I don't think this affects his HOF resume much, if at all.  Though it's possible that in the twitter, righteous-fury, cancel culture of the 2010s, he does see a negative effect. A bit of thread derailment, but I feel like this is inconsistent with baseball's view on PEDs.

We shall see in 2 or 3 years I guess. 

And in all years it was the last of his playing career.

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2 hours ago, Hallas said:

Baseball has, in the past, largely turned a blind eye to in-game cheating with respect to hall of fame admission.  I don't think this affects his HOF resume much, if at all.  Though it's possible that in the twitter, righteous-fury, cancel culture of the 2010s, he does see a negative effect. A bit of thread derailment, but I feel like this is inconsistent with baseball's view on PEDs.

Yeah didn't affect Gaylord Perry very  much and he is pretty much the poster chile for cheaters. 

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1 hour ago, atomic said:

Yeah didn't affect Gaylord Perry very  much and he is pretty much the poster chile for cheaters. 

He was the first player that came to mind on this topic, lol.

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I am certain that more will come out soon.  With Astros' firing both Luhnow and Hinch, does this mean that suspension begin now or when and if they get hired by someone?  

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3 minutes ago, Rustbelt said:

I am certain that more will come out soon.  With Astros' firing both Luhnow and Hinch, does this mean that suspension begin now or when and if they get hired by someone?  

Suspension lasts until the 2021 WS is completed.

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This to me is a much bigger stain on the game than the steroids era.  And the fact is that is probably going on in many more clubhouses than we know about.  I want to shy away from the "everyone is dirty" generalization, because I think it is used too often and gets us down some bad rabbit holes in a race to the bottom than a race to the top.

It is flabbergasting to me that players are not going be at fault in this whole situation.  I understand the men who got fired were the manager and executive, and should have been more accountable when they found out.  Still, baseball has got to create cultural change within the system or we are going to be talking about the next cheating scandal in 10-15 years.

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Wouldn't have time for 'cheating' if the players were just forced to stay in the box and the pitcher forced to pitch every 12 seconds

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20 hours ago, atomic said:

Yeah didn't affect Gaylord Perry very  much and he is pretty much the poster chile for cheaters. 

Perry didn’t get in until his third try, despite winning 314 games and two Cy Young awards.    My guess is he would have gotten in on the first ballot except for his reputation.     So, delayed but not denied.    Beltran is more of a borderline HOF guy, so this might hurt him more.    

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