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Not strictly Orioles-related, but since we’re discussing the Astros’ situation on this board, this certainly seemed like fair game.

 https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28495642/source-astros-interview-buck-showalter-managerial-vacancy

Buck seems a little Old School for the Astros, but maybe that’s a good antidote for their current situation and perhaps Buck can learn some new tricks in an organization that has a very strong analytical bent.   

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He was the first person I thought of when the news broke. He's a good guy to bring in for 1-2 years until they can find their next long-term solution. You can give him the keys to that caliber roster and not feel like you're going to leave wins on the table. Plus with him being a TX guy, it's probably a fairly attractive situation for him. If he gets it, I wish him luck. 

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46 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Not strictly Orioles-related, but since we’re discussing the Astros’ situation on this board, this certainly seemed like fair game.

 https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28495642/source-astros-interview-buck-showalter-managerial-vacancy

Buck seems a little Old School for the Astros, but maybe that’s a good antidote for their current situation and perhaps Buck can learn some new tricks in an organization that has a very strong analytical bent.   

Probably the only person that can control that clubhouse. And of course MLB would have complete confidence in him. Sounds like a no brainer for Crane. 

 

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50 minutes ago, Frobby said:

 

Buck seems a little Old School for the Astros, but maybe that’s a good antidote for their current situation and perhaps Buck can learn some new tricks in an organization that has a very strong analytical bent.   

It's not like they are going to win it all with a new school analytics guy. 

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Caught some MLB Network last night. Billy Ripken made the point that Buck as a Minor League manager back in the day was doing analytic stuff and made the argument that even the guys who are regarded as old school like Buck use analytics in their managing to some degree.  In football, we talk a lot about coaching trees, I wonder if in MLB there could be said to be an organizational tree. I was thinking about the Oriole Way when I was reading the Brooks Robinson book and I found myself wondering about who and what inspired a lot of Earl's strategies which as we know were pretty groundbreaking for their times.  I'd be happy for Buck if he got another shot though. Going out on 47 wins isn't a fun way to go.

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1 minute ago, Palmoripken said:

Caught some MLB Network last night. Billy Ripken made the point that Buck as a Minor League manager back in the day was doing analytic stuff and made the argument that even the guys who are regarded as old school like Buck use analytics in their managing to some degree.  In football, we talk a lot about coaching trees, I wonder if in MLB there could be said to be an organizational tree. I was thinking about the Oriole Way when I was reading the Brooks Robinson book and I found myself wondering about who and what inspired a lot of Earl's strategies which as we know were pretty groundbreaking for their times.  I'd be happy for Buck if he got another shot though. Going out on 47 wins isn't a fun way to go.

Didn't Buck run interference for players (Jones) that didn't want to listen to the O's analytics team?

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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Didn't Buck run interference for players (Jones) that didn't want to listen to the O's analytics team?

I'm not sure. I think Bill's point was that even the old school guys do some analytics stuff even if they're not quite doing all the stuff that the self described analytics guys do. I do remember Jones saying he didn't believe in the new school though. One of the things that always amused me was that Joe Morgan whose stature as a player has risen to Sabermetric analysis as always putting down Moneyball and Billy Beane when Lewis's book first came out.  I think Jones probably like a lot of guys grew up hearing the tired cliches that a lot of us did from our coaches. You know the whole "Can't get on base if you don't take the bat off your shoulder". I think the smart thing for Houston might be to find a sort of caretaker manager for this year and than find a guy that fits their philosophy more in the fall but that's just my opinion based on where we are in the offseason.

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7 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I'd be happy for Buck, I hope he gets it.

He already has a call in to Colby Rasmus, just in case.

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1 minute ago, mdbdotcom said:

He already has a call in to Colby Rasmus, just in case.

Didn't know Buck was in charge of selecting the people who make cotton candy.

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Buck made too many mistakes in his final years here to be worth serious consideration by any team,  and given his derisive  comments about stats, he seems the last person the Astros would be interested in.

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Rooting for this - would add plenty of entertainment value to waiting out these last couple seasons.  I hope they hire him before a GM :)

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